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Q: Yosemite download from App store is DEAD slow

The App store progress bar says the 5GB download will take 7-8 hours, yet my download speed otherwise tests normal at 35mb/s. I have seen other reports of this, and tried one supposed remedy - checking that CRL is set to Off in the Keychain Access, but that was already the case, and having aborted the first attempted download to try that, as well as a reboot, I now have to start from scratch again at the App Store. If someone can suggest a remedy, I'll be mighty grateful, but I'd also like someone from Apple to explain the reason for this. This isn't the sort of thing one expects from a company doing so well with its watches and phones and other kids' stuff. Is Apple trying to persuade me, a graphic designer and Apple fan for the last 25 years, twho just wants the kit to work so I can make a living, that the days of Mac computers and operating systems are over?

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Wired to router

Posted on Aug 25, 2015 3:58 PM

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  • by Carolyn Samit,

    Carolyn Samit Carolyn Samit Aug 25, 2015 4:04 PM in response to louismac
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    Aug 25, 2015 4:04 PM in response to louismac

    Make sure your Mac can run Yosemite > How to install OS X Yosemite on your Mac - Apple Support

     

    If installed, disable anti virus software then try downloading Yosemite.

     

    If you are upgrading from v10.6 Snow Leopard and use Rosetta >  Upgrading to 10.7 and above, don't forget Rosetta! | Apple Support Communities


    Make sure your Mac has enough free storage space as Yosemite requires 8GB's.


  • by louismac,

    louismac louismac Aug 26, 2015 5:05 AM in response to Carolyn Samit
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    Aug 26, 2015 5:05 AM in response to Carolyn Samit

    Thanks, Carolyn. No problem with any of the things you suggest. Because the downloader was telling me the download would take 7-8 hours I left it running all night and went to bed before it was half done. It was still going very slowly at that point. In the morning, I found the cheering message that the download had failed. For good measure, I rebooted my router again (though there was no other indication of any problem with it last night - normal internet connections and download speeds were available from other sites at the same time as the Yosemite download was at slug pace, and tried again, and this time, I'm glad to say, the download worked as it should have done originally - about half an hour to download the 5GB installer. I can't rule out that either my router, or my fibre broadband ISP was at fault, but if so, why is it that I had no evidence of trouble from other internet connections concurrently? Evidence online is also that many other users, in different parts of the world (but mainly outside the USA by the look of it) have had similar problems over the last year or so. One consideration is that at the time I was trying to download last night (from  the UK), the Western hemisphere was still awake and busy, so servers may have been under pressure, though it would be surprising if Apple servers were not equipped to handle this. At the time it worked OK here, this morning, the Americas were still asleep. However, this wouldn't explain why (as I have seen) users in, say, Canada have had similar problems. In any case, things seem to be OK on my system now, but the number of reported problems still require an authoritative explanation and remedy. L

  • by Richard Liu,

    Richard Liu Richard Liu Sep 5, 2015 1:10 PM in response to louismac
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    Sep 5, 2015 1:10 PM in response to louismac

    Did you finally succeed in downloading Yosemite?  I'm in Switzerland.  I'm essentially unable to download Yosemite from the App Store.  For the 5.72 GB I'm seeing estimates of DAYS.  This is ridiculous.  While the App Store is taking its sweet time a network speed test indicates 117 Mbps down and 15.14 Mbps up.

  • by louismac,

    louismac louismac Sep 5, 2015 3:35 PM in response to Richard Liu
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    Sep 5, 2015 3:35 PM in response to Richard Liu

    Yes, the first download was predicting 8 hours, but then failed during the night. In the morning, however, the installer downloaded in about half an hour. As in your case, the slow evening download in my case was not matched by any other indication of trouble my end, so I  believe it was an Apple server / bandwidth problem, but that's a guess and I can't explain it. I wish someone from Apple would explain it. Apple are very helpful when it comes to problems with iCloud, where they see evidently their interest in keeping customers happy. Not so helpful when it comes to people trying to run their computers on their operating systems. They leave it up to people like us to exchange experiences, gripes, guesses. Why?

  • by Richard Liu,

    Richard Liu Richard Liu Sep 5, 2015 4:02 PM in response to louismac
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    Sep 5, 2015 4:02 PM in response to louismac

    Actually, I've been trying off and on now for about 24 hours and haven't seen any improvement in the excruciatingly slow download.  Right now I'm trying to download through a VPN service, ZPN (zpn.im), which is free with some restrictions (10 GB/month, speed cap).  It's been running for about 1.25 hours, has downloaded 2.56 GB and is estimating a bit under 3 hours to go.  I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the download will complete normally.

     

    I've given up trying to figure Apple out.  This afternoon I took my laptop to a place where there is free WiFi in order to make sure that the problem had nothing to do with my network infrastructure.  Then I went to the Apple Store hoping that I could convince somebody to let me download Yosemite from the App Store on one of the machines in the shop.  I would have thought this could be done somewhere in a back room to at least determine whether it might pay for me to make an appointment at the Genius Bar, or whether the problem isn't with the App Store, as we suspect.  Nope!

  • by louismac,

    louismac louismac Sep 5, 2015 4:51 PM in response to Richard Liu
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    Sep 5, 2015 4:51 PM in response to Richard Liu

    Hope your current download does finally work even though it is so slow. It is crazy that Apple don't take more interest in what is clearly quite a common experience, and find a solution to it PDQ. And the fact that the Apple Store can't help you resolve it, when you go there in person, is downright unbelievable!

     

    To be fair, I had a problem with my Apple ID and iCloud registration, and in that context, Apple did provide an extremely helpful and patient adviser, who very quickly contacted me by phone and helped me solve the problem on several devices. But when you have a problem with the computer OS, and you're not covered by a guarantee or Applecare agreement, there is no similar help to get you using the operating system that my continued status as an Apple customer depends on ABSOLUTELY. Apple, in its current hubris, doesn't seem to understand the glaringly obvious message of all this, which applies to Apple as to any other maker of stuff (there are NO exceptions). If the stuff doesn't work as it should, and the maker clearly doesn't give a ****, and doesn't offer an authoritative and easily accessible solution, then the message to the user is "don't use it, don't buy it -- don't buy anything else from a company that doesn't care about its customers' experience". I haven't quite got to that point yet (I've been a Mac user for 25 years, once a pretty enthusiastic one), but they're pushing me fast that way, and the Yosemite experience, before and after installation, is adding to the push!

     

    Are you listening, Apple? 

  • by Eric Root,

    Eric Root Eric Root Sep 6, 2015 11:49 AM in response to louismac
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    Sep 6, 2015 11:49 AM in response to louismac

    Apple doesn’t routinely monitor the discussions. These are mostly user to user discussions.

     

    Send Apple feedback. They won't answer, but at least will know there is a problem. If enough people send feedback, it may get the problem solved sooner.

     

    Feedback

     

    Or you can use your Apple ID to register with this site and go the Apple BugReporter. Supposedly you will get an answer if you submit feedback.

     

    Feedback via Apple Developer

  • by Flexibug,

    Flexibug Flexibug Sep 13, 2015 2:02 PM in response to louismac
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    Sep 13, 2015 2:02 PM in response to louismac

    Seems not to be a problem with or at apple at all. I am in Switzerland, too, and had the same problem. Extremely slow (or even disrupted) downloads for OS X and iOS App Store downloads, many other things (non-apple) very fast, though. I finally identified a problem with the DNS servers upstream of my provider (a major cable provider here). I switched my DNS from their standard DNS servers (provided via DHCP through their cable modem) with google public servers temporarily, e.g. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, and now both apple app stores are back to normal speed.

     

    Having said that it is hard for me to say who's to blame and who has to fix it. Is it the cable provider? Is it "somebody" in their DNS upstream? For the time being I am extremely happy with the temporary solution (google) because now I can finally download 10.10.5 and all the other "little" improvements for FCPX and the likes. Hope somebody will solve this DNS mess soon...

  • by Richard Liu,

    Richard Liu Richard Liu Sep 13, 2015 2:07 PM in response to Flexibug
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    Sep 13, 2015 2:07 PM in response to Flexibug

    Who is your ISP?  I have Cablecom.  There's more on this topic in this thread:  go to the discussion,

  • by Flexibug,

    Flexibug Flexibug Sep 13, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Richard Liu
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    Sep 13, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Richard Liu

    cablecom (not the first time).

    seems to be kind of a "combined problem" - again with upc, last time (2011?) it took them many months to clean up, they changed backbone contracts at the time. However, some info seems to point to a "swiss" problem, so I would also consider asking somebody at switch.ch to learn if they see some anomalies (chello may circumvent ge-cix, swissix, switch.ch, etc., so this might not lead to a solution)... If so, traces might have already faded, since this is not a really "new and hot" problem any more... the app stores rely on akamai, I tend to not suspect them (no global uproar so far)... blame apple (or akamai) for a "regional" or even "local" problem? I know it's a pain in the neck... If I had not upc and swisscom in parallel I wouldn't even have had a chance to see that there might (still) be something wrong outside of apple...