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Q: Install Windows 7 in Mid-2015 Macbook Pro

Good Afternoon All,

 

I am trying to install Windows 7 onto a Macbook Pro that bootcamp no longer supports putting Windows 7 onto. I have a Product Key for 7 and want to upgrade to Windows 10 but, unfortunately, Windows 7 has to be on the machine first. I used a friends Macbook Pro early 2011 to create a WININSTALL USB stick using their Bootcamp software (which permits Windows 7 because of his 2011 model) but when I reboot and hold the OPTION key it does not even recognize the stick. The only thing that is there is my Mac HD. Does anyone know of a method to get Windows 7 onto one of the new Macbook Pro's? I have moderate computer skills and can do some things in command line, use Xcode to modify files like bootcamps .plist, etc.

 

Thank you for your suggestions,

CB

MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015), OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)

Posted on Sep 7, 2015 9:13 AM

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  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Loner T

    Here is the course of how things went in terminal. I think it looks like it went well? Do you do the three tests you described before or after installing Windows?

     

    MacBook-Pro-2:~ sudo gdisk /dev/rdisk0

    GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.0

     

    Warning: Devices opened with shared lock will not have their

    partition table automatically reloaded!

    Partition table scan:

      MBR: hybrid

      BSD: not present

      APM: not present

      GPT: present

     

    Found valid GPT with hybrid MBR; using GPT.

     

    Command (? for help): b

    Enter backup filename to save: gdisk backup

    The operation has completed successfully.

     

    Command (? for help): P

    Disk /dev/rdisk0: 977105060 sectors, 465.9 GiB

    Logical sector size: 512 bytes

    Disk identifier (GUID): 316A6941-387C-4FA2-A9C5-03FD18BD52D9

    Partition table holds up to 128 entries

    First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 977105026

    Partitions will be aligned on 8-sector boundaries

    Total free space is 2017 sectors (1008.5 KiB)

     

    Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size      Code  Name

      1              40          409639  200.0 MiB  EF00  EFI System Partition

      2          409640      783253895  373.3 GiB  AF05  Macintosh HD

      3      783253896      784523431  619.9 MiB  AB00  Recovery HD

      4      784525312      977104895  91.8 GiB    0700  MACINTOSH H

     

    Command (? for help): r

     

    Recovery/transformation command (? for help): o

     

    Disk size is 977105060 sectors (465.9 GiB)

    MBR disk identifier: 0x00000000

    MBR partitions:

     

    Number  Boot  Start Sector  End Sector  Status      Code

      1                    1      409639  primary    0xEE

      2                409640    783253895  primary    0xAC

      3            783253896    784523431  primary    0xAB

      4            784525312    977104895  primary    0x0B

     

    Recovery/transformation command (? for help): h

     

    WARNING! Hybrid MBRs are flaky and dangerous! If you decide not to use one,

    just hit the Enter key at the below prompt and your MBR partition table will

    be untouched.

     

    Type from one to three GPT partition numbers, separated by spaces, to be

    added to the hybrid MBR, in sequence: 2 3 4

    Place EFI GPT (0xEE) partition first in MBR (good for GRUB)? (Y/N): Y

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #2 (MBR partition #2)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default AF):

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): N

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #3 (MBR partition #3)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default AB):

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): N

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #4 (MBR partition #4)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default 07):

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): N

     

    Recovery/transformation command (? for help): o

     

    Disk size is 977105060 sectors (465.9 GiB)

    MBR disk identifier: 0x00000000

    MBR partitions:

     

    Number  Boot  Start Sector  End Sector  Status      Code

      1                    1      409639  primary    0xEE

      2                409640    783253895  primary    0xAF

      3            783253896    784523431  primary    0xAB

      4            784525312    977104895  primary    0x07

     

    Recovery/transformation command (? for help): W

     

    Final checks complete. About to write GPT data. THIS WILL OVERWRITE EXISTING

    PARTITIONS!!

     

    Do you want to proceed? (Y/N): Y

    OK; writing new GUID partition table (GPT) to /dev/rdisk0.

    Warning: Devices opened with shared lock will not have their

    partition table automatically reloaded!

    Warning: The kernel may continue to use old or deleted partitions.

    You should reboot or remove the drive.

    The operation has completed successfully.

    MacBook-Pro-2:~

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 4:19 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 4:19 PM in response to Loner T

    In terms of the tests....

     

    Test 1 - Does Bootcamp Volume show up in Finder?

    -->Yes, it shows up as "MACINTOSH H" which is what i named the FAT partition

    Test 2 - Can you see files in Bootcamp Volume?

    -->It states there are 0 items (it is a freshly formatted FAT partition so this makes sense, right? It does let me move a file to the partition and then delete it with no problem from finder)

    Test 3 - Can you select Bootcamp in System Preferences -> Startup Disk?

    --> No only the Macintosh HD shows up there.

     

    I went and bought an Apple SuperDrive. I held ALT/Option at start-up and with the Windows 7 Disk in it the drive is recognized as "EFI Disk." When I select it the screen blinks, remains black for a few seconds as I hear the disk spinning in the SuperDrive, and then it blinks to the regular Apple startup progress bar and goes straight to my user login. :-(

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 8, 2015 5:10 PM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 8, 2015 5:10 PM in response to Taelvin

    The tests are typically used when a lost NTFS partition is located. In your case, Test 2 shows expected result. Since there is no NTFS yet, Test 3 will fail.

     

    The W7 EFI should not work, because we created a MBR, and the PreBoot is missing ($WinPEDriver$ on the USB).

     

    You should try the USB and test if the Windows Installer comes and your keyboard/mouse/monitor work properly.

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 5:17 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 5:17 PM in response to Loner T

    I was under the impression that the Apple SuperDrive was the only method that would work based on what you mentioned in the earlier posts about it having a special ability on the firmware level to be recognized?

     

    I tried the USB thumb drive again and it did not show up at boot up in the ALT/Option menu.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 8, 2015 5:20 PM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 8, 2015 5:20 PM in response to Taelvin

    From the SuperDrive, do you see a Windows selection?

     

    EFI boot would fail because we created a Hybrid MBR and W7 EFI is problematic on UEFI Macs.

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 5:41 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 5:41 PM in response to Loner T

    At boot-up with my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit CD in the Apple SuperDrive this is what shows up when you press ALT/Option:

     

    IMG_9228.JPG

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 8, 2015 5:55 PM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 8, 2015 5:55 PM in response to Taelvin

    If you insert your USB, do you see any additional selections? The USB also has $WinPEDriver$. If you do not see any additional selections, select EFI Boot after the USB is plugged in. If you see the Installer startup, it will still fail due to a Hybrid MBR that we created.

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 6:04 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 6:04 PM in response to Loner T

    I inserted the USB thumb drive and it did not reveal itself as an additional selection. The only two were still those pictured above. I went ahead and selected EFI Boot after the USB thumb drive was plugged in and it went to a black screen and then almost immediately to the Apple logo boot screen with progress bar and then straight to my account login.

     

    I thought the Hybrid MBR was supposed to enable the SuperDrive to install Windows 7 because the GPT fdisk basically does the job of BootCamp and makes a Hybrid MBR?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 8, 2015 6:11 PM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 8, 2015 6:11 PM in response to Taelvin

    The Hybrid MBR on the Windows destination disk allows a legacy BIOS installation of Windows, provided the BIOS installer is visible in the Apple Bootmanager.

     

    The SuperDrive is being used to work around the issue with the USB which does not have a valid installer for the 2015 UEFI Mac to work with.

     

    Is there a specific reason for W7, or is W8.1 an option?

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 6:23 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 6:23 PM in response to Loner T

    Well I already own a copy of Windows 7 Pro and have my product Key so I was hoping to get it on the 2015 Macbook Pro and then use the free upgrade to Windows 10. It is basically just trying to save $100-200 for a new license (which, if I had to do I would just skip 8.1 and buy a Windows 10 license).

     

    Do you think a tool like rEFInd would be helpful in this instance?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 8, 2015 6:27 PM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 8, 2015 6:27 PM in response to Taelvin
    I used a friends Macbook Pro early 2011 to create a WININSTALL USB stick using their Bootcamp software (which permits Windows 7 because of his 2011 model)

    One option you have is, to use this 2011 and install W7 on it and then use a 'cloning' solution like Winclone, Camptune or CloneZilla, and restore the clone to your 2015 Mac. Remember to use SysPrep if you use this method. Once you have W7 installed on your 2015, you can remove it from the 2011 Mac.

     

    The boot manager is blocking legacy BIOS installation, which is why the USB modifications did not work either. The bootable USB is MBR as you verified with fdisk.

     

    You should remove the MBR by creating a new protective MBR using Gdisk to avoid complications with cloning.

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 8, 2015 6:32 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 8, 2015 6:32 PM in response to Loner T

    The Windows 7 clone on the new 2015 Macbook Pro would recognize the change in hardware and it would lose its activation.

     

    If I got my hands on a 2012 Macbook Air and made a thumb drive using bootcamp on it with a Windows 7 ISO would that fix the issue we are having?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 9, 2015 2:44 AM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 9, 2015 2:44 AM in response to Taelvin

    Taelvin wrote:

     

    The Windows 7 clone on the new 2015 Macbook Pro would recognize the change in hardware and it would lose its activation.

    Yes, but a legitimate copy of Windows can be moved from one machine to another. Call Microsoft via phone. I had to move my son's Active W8.1 from a 2012 to a 2014 MBP. One phone call covered it.

     

     

    If I got my hands on a 2012 Macbook Air and made a thumb drive using bootcamp on it with a Windows 7 ISO would that fix the issue we are having?

    No. You will run into the same issue. The underlying Bootmanager is disallowing it.

     

    However, one option to consider apart from cloning, is an external Thunderbolt drive/enclosure. USB/FW are not valid destinations for Windows, but TB (which behaves like PCI) and SATA are valid. You can install it on a 2012 MBP using an external TB disk and use it on the 2015 MBP. The hardware change will require a re-activation anyway.

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 9, 2015 6:45 AM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 9, 2015 6:45 AM in response to Loner T

    I think I might try the cloning method. Can you tell me the sequence to use the cloning method? I am not familiar with SysPrep but I see it is kind of like a windows cleanup utility. Would I run it before making the clone while in Windows 7?

     

    So is the sequence:

    1.) Install Windows 7 on 2011 Macbook with Bootcamp

    2.) While in Windows 7 bootcamp run SysPrep

    3.) Use CloneZilla live CD to make a clone of bootcamp partition

  • by Taelvin,

    Taelvin Taelvin Sep 9, 2015 7:19 AM in response to Taelvin
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    Sep 9, 2015 7:19 AM in response to Taelvin

    Not sure why it wouldn't let me edit or delete the post above but I made some changes to my question:

     

    I think I might try the cloning method. Can you tell me the sequence to use the cloning method? I am not familiar with SysPrep but I see it is kind of like a windows cleanup utility. Would I run it before making the clone while in Windows 7?

     

    So is the sequence:

    1.) Install Windows 7 on 2011 Macbook with Bootcamp

    2.) While in Windows 7 bootcamp run SysPrep.

         a.) Would you recommend the following SysPrep command for this situation: sysprep /oobe /generalize ?

         b.) Or should I run the SysPrep command that runs the specialize pass, Plug and Play, and other setup tasks before launching Windows Welcome: sysprep /generalize /oobe

     

    3.) Use CloneZilla live CD to make a clone of bootcamp partition

     

    Would I need to do anything to the Hybrid MBR we created with GPT Fdisk before using CloneZilla to install the image on a drive?

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