track numbering in itunes, won't respect track numbering order

I have tried to import audiobook tracks created by ripping from my CDs. sometimes ITunes does not respect the filename or numbering and as a result the tracks are all out of order in the library or on the IPOD.they won't play in proper sequence. I've tried renumbering, retitling, and reimporting but Itunes sometimes will not respect that. how can I get ITunes to respect (and keep) the filename and numbering when importing so that the tracks are in proper order? an example are tracks originally numbered 1a thru 1x, 2a thru 2x, etc (corresponding to disc number) and they end up as in the order 1a, 2a, 3a, etc. can I renumber them in itunes itself, is there some kind of numbering convention?

gateway, Windows XP Pro

Posted on Nov 5, 2006 1:43 AM

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Nov 5, 2006 6:10 AM in response to Denise Woodcock

I'd suggest using the convention 01, 02, 03 for track
numbers - perhaps adding that at the start of the
name of the track and sorting by name rather than
album to keep the order. Hope that works for you.


hi, Denise,

thanks for responsing. I will try your suggestion and will let you know what happens. so, if I understand your suggestion, I could just add 001 etc to the beginning of the filename?

ITunes doesn't always seem to be consistent. with one of the audiobooks I imported the tracks are in correct order in the ITunes library, but they are all out of order on the ipod. (I have an 80 GB Ipod)

does it help at all - and provide more control - to uncheck "automatically retrieve filenames from the internet" and "create filenames with track number" in preferences, importing?

it would seem to me that if the files are in order on my computer, they should be on the IPOD as well. I don't see why there should be a difference.

thanks.

dick

Nov 5, 2006 10:43 AM in response to polydorus

I am not sure if this will help you but it works for
me with CD tracks.
Is the Track # column displayed in your library.


yes

You can then sort on this field by clicking on track
#.


thanks for your suggestion. for one of the books I was having problems with it appears that the tracks are in proper order in the library but not after transfer to the ipod. maybe I should delete the book and try reimporting it?

dick

gateway Windows XP Pro

Nov 6, 2006 11:06 AM in response to velovision

Keep in mind that iTunes and the iPod do not care about filenames. For instance, Chapters 1, 2, and 3 of an audiobook could have the filenames "apple.mp3," "pear.mp3," "grapefruit.mp3" for all that it matters. The filename is irrelevant. What matters is the entry in the Track Number box.

Here's how you can apply the correct track numbers to all the files that make up an audiobook. Make a playlist, and fill it with the files. First thing to do is make sure they all have exactly the same book (album) title so when you play that "album" you will hear the whole book. An easy way to apply the same album title is to select all the files (Ctrl-A), press Ctrl-I, and fill in the Album Title box.

Next, arrange the tracks in order manually. If you can't seem to drag the files up or down the list, be sure you have the very first column of the window highlighted, the column with no name. After the files are in order, select the first one, and press Ctrl-I. On the Info tab, typing "1" in the first Track Number box. Click the Next button at the bottom. Type "2." Keep clicking Next and typing the next number until all the tracks in the book have numbers.

Now iTunes will keep the tracks in order, and more importantly the iPod will play back the tracks in order.

Again, don't worry about renaming any of the FILES; filenames don't matter.

Nov 13, 2006 10:17 AM in response to Chris CA

Keep in mind that iTunes and the iPod do not care
about filenames

Actually, yes they do. The filename is the song/track
title which is the ID3 tag info.


Not to split hairs, but I think the ID3 tag is the ID3 tag. The filename does not matter. When there's no tag found, iTunes resorts to using the filename, but that doesn't mean the filename has the ability to change existing ID3 info. The file can be "grapefruit.mp3" and the ID3 tag can be, "Elvis - Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog." Renaming the file will have no effect on the ID3.

XP Home, Pentium 4, 3.6 gHz, 1GB ram, 160 hd Windows XP 2nd gen iPod for Windows, 10GB

Nov 13, 2006 3:00 PM in response to Craig Johnson

I think the ID3 tag is the ID3 tag
Correct.

but that doesn't mean the filename has the ability to change existing ID3 info.
Correct.

The file can be "grapefruit.mp3" and the ID3 tag can be, "Elvis - Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog." Renaming the file will have no effect on the ID3.
But changing the ID3 tag CAN have an effect on the filename if iTunes prefs is set.

Dec 5, 2006 2:43 PM in response to Chris CA

You need the track number and total tracks (n of x)
in all the tags.


OK I tried this. I had created MP3 files from a series of audiobook CDs. orig the tracks were named 1&...1x, 2a...2x etc.

renamed them to 001 etc of287 with the book name

ITunes refusedto a ccept this, went back to the orig naming scheme AND placed themout or order anyway?

what amI doing wrong? what elsedo I need to do? this is ridiculous!!!

thanks

Dec 14, 2006 2:56 PM in response to Craig Johnson

Keep in mind that iTunes and the iPod do not

care
about filenames
Actually, yes they do. The filename is the

song/track
title which is the ID3 tag info.


Not to split hairs, but I think the ID3 tag is the
ID3 tag. The filename does not matter. When there's
no tag found, iTunes resorts to using the filename,
but that doesn't mean the filename has the ability to
change existing ID3 info. The file can be
"grapefruit.mp3" and the ID3 tag can be, "Elvis -
Ain't Nothing But a Hound Dog." Renaming the file
will have no effect on the ID3.

XP Home, Pentium 4, 3.6 gHz, 1GB ram,
160 hd Windows XP 2nd gen iPod for
Windows, 10GB


does this mean that I have to edit the ID3 tags in order to get ITUNES to keep the tracks in proper order?????

thanks

Dec 14, 2006 3:44 PM in response to velovision

Yes.
Don't rename the actual file.
In iTunes, right click on the first chapter, then select Info.
Keep the name, artist and album (book) what they should be.
Don't name it 001-Chapter 1.
Make it something like Chapter 1 - The Beast
The track # should 1 of 287.
You can select all the chapters and do this to edit the common info of all the tracks (Album, artist, total # of tracks, etc.)

Here is some good info on converting CDs to audiobooks.
Aldo on Audiobooks

Dec 15, 2006 1:43 PM in response to Chris CA

Thanks much for this info!!!!! I will try this and seeif it works. so, kile fir the original audiobook "problem" I was dealing with (the "known world, 287 tracks) I would follow your instructions to make sure that the tracks are numbered properly... right now theyare sittingin a folder "the known world") and they are nut separated by disc number but they are numbered they way the software numbered them, e.g. 1a thru1x for the first disc etc. 2a thru 2x for the second disc.

I thought I was going tohave to get ID3 editing software.

thanks again!!!!!

dick

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