I think that giving up on Aperture and accepting its demise is not our only option, Aperture is by far the best digital photo application that Apple (or indeed any other software developer) have created and as such, must not be allowed to disappear.
If we all create a groundswell of opinion we can persuade them to reinstate this Rolls Royce of an application. Lets unite, and rise up to remind Apple that Adobe cannot be the provsole digital photo platform on the planet.
Unfortunately you will have to change at some point. Some folks say that they won't update the OS and just keep using Aperture, but one day your Mac will break and you'll need to replace it. At that point you will have to use a new OS, and if Aperture won't run on that, then you will have a crisis on you hands.
Now is the time to evaluate alternatives and select one, so that you can do the transition is an orderly and managed fashion. If you think that might be too stressful, then imagine the stress when you're learning a new OS on a new computer and a new app all at the same time, and you can't even access the Aperture Library.
Adobe are not the only people with apps in this space, tho probably LR is the nearest to Aperture, and has a migration tool. But there are others: Capture One, Corel AfterShot, ON1 PhotoRaw, Luminar promises a new DAM app in 2018 and so on.
Frankly, I don't see that you have a choice. Do it now when it can be managed, or later when it's a crisis. That's your choice.
To me that just say that Apple no longer cares about the serious photographer so why should the serious photographer waste any time on Apple.
The only reason he or she might is because of the time, money and learning previously committed to the ecosystem. With Aperture gone it's now one step more possible that I could move to another OS and hardware, but then how long would it take me to learn that OS as well as I know this one. It's not a romantic decision, but a pragmatic one.
Let them have there toy of Photos which is nothing more then a recompiled version of Photos from the iPhone so that it runs on a Mac.
This is inaccurate. It's a more capable app than the iOS one and has several features that the iOS one lack. It is more capable than iPhoto too in most respects.
But it's not a replacement for Aperture, never was and Apple never said it was. They just left the pro-shooter market for software.
"As for ____________, apart from ____________, I've yet to come across anything that I couldn't achieve in ____________, apart from ____________."
Just fill in the blanks to create your own convincing argument about how any non-Apple product is just as good or better than any Apple product.
I totally agree with you. Photos is geared for the mainstream community, the Facebook generation; it's fine for what it is but definitely no match for Aperture. It's a slap in the face that this application that gained so much popularity among pro photographers would be dropped, just like that, to please mainstream needs. As a result we are now facing very tough decisions and LOTS of work to keep the versions accumulated in my extensive libraries. I've not exported most of them and the transition to Lightroom, plug-in or no, disregards the versions. Tons of hours and work lost.
It's very obvious that Apple is now heading in a new direction under Tim Cook. a direction that seems less thoughtful to me than Steve Job's. The new direction favors numbers & market share.
That said, they should retain quality products such as Aperture so that their loyal customers can remain.
You would think that Apple would use some of their $18bn profit to further develop these less "demand" products. It's all about profit and market domination especially the mobile market. The "younger" generation are driven by selfies and quick ways to process those. They don't want to fiddle about with adjustments and so on, because the images are only fleeting. Taken today, forgotten tomorrow, so why bother with adjustments and so on.
As someone previously posted, sadly Apple are now only about profit and market share.
Exactly right! And I must admit that I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, with htose sporadic and tardy Aperture updates...
Huh? You really think Apple make the very best everything? There are a lot of apps and devices out there that Apple can't come close to. You really think Pages or Numbers are a feature match for Word and Excel? I know it's a shock but having had three years of development that Aperture never got, LR is a more capable application too.
You would think that Apple would use some of their $18bn profit to further develop these less "demand" products
Why would you think that?
The "younger" generation are driven by selfies and quick ways to process those. They don't want to fiddle about with adjustments and so on, because the images are only fleeting. Taken today, forgotten tomorrow, so why bother with adjustments and so on.
Condescending much? Perhaps you should send some time out the "younger" generations. It's good for your mental health and it might surprise you just how creative they are.
sadly Apple are now only about profit and market share.
Now? When were they ever anything else? Large Multi-national corporation driven by profit motive. Shock!
Hello There.
I also was an early Aperture user and the easy workflow allowed me to very quickly tweak my photo's to my liking.When Apple decided to dump their own software , you start to think;What's next ;Final Cut Pro.X. Studio.Numbers ,Keynotes , Pages? , Etc. Right from the beginning I purchased PT Lens ,for perspective control.I also bought Pixelmator as it had a superior object remover ability , A few month ago I realized that Apple had absolutely no interest in evoking Aperture. Henceforth I bought LR6 ;The alone standing version.However in this alone standing LR 6 .You get basic updates for security and anything els ,you have to buy.Therefore Adobe wants you to use their CC version on prescription $9.99 US @ month, which in Canadian dollars works out at 13.287 +13% Tax = $15.01.Canadian X 12= $180.17.@ Year. However on the Apple Apps store a new photo App appeared.It is called: Affinity Photo. I took one look and I realized that this would solve most of the problems.I bought it for the introduction price of $59.00 Canadian.And I have't look back.Its DAM is not perfect,but it is like a Photoshop type of program.
I think it is pretty darn good and I am very happy with this Affinity Photo App.It also has wonder full tutorial videos.And when El Capitan comes you don't have to make an upgrade .You could easily keep on going with Yosemite, or you can back up your entire Yosemite onto an external hard drive.So all is not lost.
Keep on shooting.Don't worry .There is always a new way of doing things. Greetings: John Basso.
The thing is, there's no shortage of photo editing software for Mac. There's a million of them with widely varying features and prices. What we don't have is a good replacement for Aperture's DAM capabilities. there are really only two remotely comparable products on the market and they're both expensive and inferior to Aperture, and neither does a good job of migrating an Aperture library intact.
Reading about Affinity Photo, it is a Photoshop replacement. It is apparently not like like Aperture or Lightroom or Capture One. No digital asset management, which was Aperture's strong suit and where it beats the other two hands down (in my opinion).
Interesting!
I'm getting replies to my last post by email but they are not showing up here???
For the record I am not advocating that particular petition website, really pointing out that they exist and could be an answer to the above question.
I don't think you would get anywhere with Tim Cook, he's probably the one who made the decision and he didn't strike me to be the sort of person who would change their mind easily.
Also. How do you quote someone on here, I cant find a button.
Also. How do you quote someone on here, I cant find a button.
Use the " in the toolba of the editor window:
For me it's simple, and before someone tells me I'm wrong I said for me, if I have to move to LR or PS or any other product that is available on a PC then I will not be buying any more Apple hardware, I may even sell what I have. These days PC hardware as good as Apple's can be bought from someone like Dell for half the price.
I don't suppose Apple cares about that. Not as long as my 9 year old is asking for an iPod touch for her birthday.
Terence Devlin wrote:
You would think that Apple would use some of their $18bn profit to further develop these less "demand" products
Why would you think that?
The "younger" generation are driven by selfies and quick ways to process those. They don't want to fiddle about with adjustments and so on, because the images are only fleeting. Taken today, forgotten tomorrow, so why bother with adjustments and so on.
Condescending much? Perhaps you should send some time out the "younger" generations. It's good for your mental health and it might surprise you just how creative they are.
sadly Apple are now only about profit and market share.
Now? When were they ever anything else? Large Multi-national corporation driven by profit motive. Shock!
Terence Devlin wrote:
You would think that Apple would use some of their $18bn profit to further develop these less "demand" products
Why would you think that?
What I am saying is that as a business not all products you produce necessarily produce the same profit margins. Some make more than others. However as a customer, and considering Apple's projected position in the past about commitment to professional apps and how their product is the best for creative minds etc etc. , I have made significant investment into their products and the use of them. I recently replaced my 2007 Mac Pro with the new "garbage can" model. I did this basically because the old one could not run the latest versions of FCPX. However with the demise of Aperture I think it is only a matter of time until FCPX goes the same way. So probably not the wisest decision to upgrade.
I think it is a reasonable expectation from a customer, especially with the Apple hype of the past, that these apps would be continued to be developed for the professional sector. If they had been upfront some time ago and simply said that they are not going to support these pro apps going forward I would have made a different decision.
Professional photographers may have 100's of 1,000's of images in their libraries. The adjustments are all lost if you convert to LR. The only way to keep those adjustments in some form is to create a JPEG with the adjustments "burnt in" but any future adjustments would have stop start from scratch with the RAW. Ultimately they will be lost at some point in the future when the OS no longer supports Aperture, that is only a matter of time so best to accept the pain and convert.
If you had imported your images into Aperture as managed files and now want them in LR you will end up with duplicates of your RAW files (if you want to keep Aperture for the adjustments you have made) . This is another wrong decision that I made on Apple's recommendation, i.e. to have managed images.
The "younger" generation are driven by selfies and quick ways to process those. They don't want to fiddle about with adjustments and so on, because the images are only fleeting. Taken today, forgotten tomorrow, so why bother with adjustments and so on.
Condescending much? Perhaps you should send some time out the "younger" generations. It's good for your mental health and it might surprise you just how creative they are.
My younger generation comment is not (or not meant to be) condescending. I have just spent the whole of this year back in colledge doing a photographic course where 90% of the students in my class are under 23 yoa so I think I am well informed to make such a statement. They are very creative, but my comment is not about that, it is about where Apple are taking things for this generation ("younger generation" could mean younger people or a younger generation of devices). It is not meant to be derogatory but is a comment on my observations. It's a fact, just look at people on a bus, train etc. almost everyone is staring at a mobile device.
sadly Apple are now only about profit and market share.
Now? When were they ever anything else? Large Multi-national corporation driven by profit motive. Shock!
I am not advocating against companies making profits, be they multi national or one man bands. I guess it is more about someone makes a profit at another person loss, in this case it is the professional photographer.
It is always amusing however to see indignant responses on this forum rather than informed and logical arguments.
Don't give up on Aperture
