Q: Don't give up on Aperture

"Creating shareholder value" is a goal, not an action or even a plan. It is also an overused cliche. It akin to saying "our plan is to make money" except in a way that  never mentions money. it is a really silly phrase because shareholders don't want "value", they want "money". They want their share price to rise (potential money) or they want increased dividends (actual money). When they want "value" they go shopping at Costco or Walmart.

Nope, it's a requirement, shareholders are the owners of the company.

So if I have a business plan that simply says "my plan is to make money", you would invest?

What's your stock symbol?

$$$$

And we will create shareholder value by being innovative with our synergies through empowerment of our employees.

I hear this stuff too much, that's all.

Which Exchange?

The Average User

and

high-end users

Is a false distinction. There are Users. Everyone uses their machine for their own purposes. Calling some one a "high end" user is like calling someone a "power user"... just a self-assigned label for a user with a sense of entitlement.

Personally I wish they would quit mucking around with the OS, adding more "features" that also appeal to the iPhone users.

But what about the "high end" users with iPhones? Don't they have rights too? Get over yourself.

And, as I've said before, I cannot believe that 16 months after the announcement of this change people are still going on about it. 16 months.

Terence Devlin wrote:

 

The Average User

 

and

 

high-end users

 

Is a false distinction. There are Users. Everyone uses their machine for their own purposes. Calling some one a "high end" user is like calling someone a "power user"... just a self-assigned label for a user with a sense of entitlement.

 

Personally I wish they would quit mucking around with the OS, adding more "features" that also appeal to the iPhone users.

 

But what about the "high end" users with iPhones? Don't they have rights too? Get over yourself.

 

And, as I've said before, I cannot believe that 16 months after the announcement of this change people are still going on about it. 16 months.

1) Not a false distinction.  Similar to saying pro vs amateur is a false distinction. Sure there is no hard line but there is definitely a distinction.

2) Get over yourself? Really? Personal attacks are the last line of defense of those who have no better argument.

3) And 16 months later can you believe that you, too, are still going on about it?

BTW, I do not consider myself a high end user or a pro user. I do appreciate well designed and capable software and well designed and capable hardware just like I appreciate well made hand tools.  I do not appreciate plastic junk, facades, and poorly designed or cheaply made items that are all show but break with the first use (or simply are not up to the task). That is where I am coming from. I appreciated Aperture and all it could do. I used (still use) only a small percentage of it but I always knew it could handle harder tasks whenever I needed it.  I feel the same way about Final Cut Pro and I hope it does not go away, too.

I apologise for my 'Get Over Yourself' remark. It was uncalled for. Doesn't change the point though. Pro and Amateur is a false description in this context, yes, and the clue is when there is no "hard line" between the two. High end/ Average, Pro/Am Power User and so on are all self-applied labels that tell you more about the person applying the label than anything else. It tells you nothing about their computer use, only about what they think about their computer use. Other obvious signs... when someone says they "push this mac pretty hard..." Compared to what?

You buy a tool. It works as designed. You don't have a complaint. Couple of years later you decide to buy a new version of the tool. They don't sell it anymore. Disappointing? Yes. But you have no complaint.  Keep using the one who have or get a different tool.

Usually I comment on these threads to correct misinformation as there is rather a lot. And at this stage perhaps I am right, and if folks can get past it after 16 months they never will.

Terence Devlin wrote:

 

if folks can get past it after 16 months they never will.

....I feel sure you meant to write "if folks can't get past it after 16 months they never will".

And I agree but too many people don't like change. Is it really as long as 16 months? Even if it was only 6 months the same would apply. We can all mourn the slow death of a beloved friend named Aperture but technology never stands still and Apple is now a large company driven by its shareholder price. Steve Jobs, R.I.P., is no longer the ship's captain and for our own benefit we must move on.

Lots of us contributing to this discussion have said this before but I'll say it again - We all have two options :

1) - Find and learn an alternative image editor which suits our individual needs and preferences (regardless of what category of user we may be).

2) - Hang on to a machine installed with the OS which will run Aperture and dedicate it to that purpose. Buy a new Mac for everything else.

Of course a third option is to hang on in the vain hope that Apple will either reverse its decision about Aperture or in case it launches an entirely new substitute which is more enabling than Photos. But don't hold your breath while waiting! 

Sorry I looked at Phase one, I am so used to Aperture, I have over 50 libraries with pictures in them, it is so easy to batch change and edit all at the same time. I am trying to get them onto ThisLife by Shutterfly and at least they will be available in the future. We take many photos on holidays and I find that most of them just need some contrast deepening plus a couple more tweeks. I might even have another look at Photoshop Elements, I have taken Photoshop lessons but am only using CS5 and I think some of the later ones have more added. I guess I will keep using Aperture until they no longer support it. I find I can still use Idvd after all this time so hope it  will be the same with Aperture.

Terence Devlin wrote:

 

Usually I comment on these threads to correct misinformation as there is rather a lot.

And..., aren't we all so lucky you're there to correct our opinions?

And at this stage perhaps I am right, and if folks can get past it after 16 months they never will.

Kinda tells you how important this matter is to some, doesn't it?

Whether you like it or not. Whether you think it's right or not. Many of us have the opinion that Apple erred when it dropped Aperture. Many of us understand the business implications of that move. Many of us know what we write here is not likely to be seen by Tim and the boys and we also realize the implausibility that anything will happen as a result of writing here.

BUT..., we reserve the right to voice opinions and hopes here whether you THINK they're CORRECT or not!!

Jerry

Gerald Gifford wrote:

 

Terence Devlin wrote:

 

Usually I comment on these threads to correct misinformation as there is rather a lot.

And..., aren't we all so lucky you're there to correct our opinions?

And at this stage perhaps I am right, and if folks can get past it after 16 months they never will.

Kinda tells you how important this matter is to some, doesn't it?

Whether you like it or not. Whether you think it's right or not. Many of us have the opinion that Apple erred when it dropped Aperture. Many of us understand the business implications of that move. Many of us know what we write here is not likely to be seen by Tim and the boys and we also realize the implausibility that anything will happen as a result of writing here.

BUT..., we reserve the right to voice opinions and hopes here whether you THINK they're CORRECT or not!!

 

Jerry

....Yes, but all that Terence and others are trying to do is point out the reality of Apple's decision and what alternative options exist. Complaining bitterly about it might make someone feel better but after so many months since Apple's announcement about Aperture it achieves absolutely nothing. Having a go at those like Terence who visit here to help potentially discourages their help. Giving and receiving help is fundamentally why we visit Apple Discussions.

I do believe I correct mis-statements, though I do debate the point of view.

Kinda tells you how important this matter is to some, doesn't it?

That's one potential reading of the situation. There are others.

Y'all have a NICE day. (Gee look, random capitals are FUN)