Q: Don't give up on Aperture

CDC3 wrote:

 

With all the talk of Capture One I thought I would try it. Yes images look better (some much better) but the DAM functions are still terrible. You cannot even rename a folder. Wow that is weak! Makes me wonder. Aperture is still it for me. (No new computers in the future).

I have also looked at Capture One it has a following amongst many pros in the UK. I suppose if one could find a good DAM that would link to it the problem could be solved.

Apple's bank balance has nothing to do with it, this is a business decision. If Aperture fails to generate sufficient sales to warrant its continued support and development it would be a very bad decision to continue to develop it, this seems to be the case. In spite of the warnings of doom that often accompany Apples business choices they do not lose revenue, or cause all but a tiny minority of users to take their business elsewhere. I will miss Aperture, but I don't tell Apple how they should run their business, they do that rather well on their own.

....Having read "You cannot even rename a folder" I was very surprised and so I renamed a Session folder (I work in Sessions rather than Catalogs so far). I was able to rename the folder but then none of the contained images were visible.... Panic! Shock Horror! So I forced a database rebuild by quitting and relaunching Capture One and that did the trick and also preserved my new folder title. I probably could have done the same by selecting 'File' > 'Regenerate Previews'.

 

My next port of call would have been the Capture One forum which is very good and so is contacting their Tech Support direct. But this forum here is about Aperture and I respect that you have decided to stick with Aperture for as long as you can, CDC3.

It's great that you found a workaround for this, and it would be a trivial matter if this were the only bug or design flaw in Capture One. But the fact that they ignored something so basic suggests there is a deep well of pain and frustration hiding underneath the app's surface just waiting for the unfortunate Aperture-switcher to fall into. Think of the time wasted trying to figure out just this one issue and multiply it by dozens of other likely flaws, many of which may not have practical workarounds.

Capture One's interface, workflows, and nomenclature are radically different from Aperture's. So even the features and functions that work properly will require a substantial learning curve, especially for those looking to import an existing library of images. When Aperture was first released, it had a bit of a learning curve as well. However, its beautiful design and great power were readily apparent and these served as an inspiration to early users, with the implied promise that their time and effort would be richly rewarded.

Capture One holds no such promise. Everything about it reeks of poor design and a lack of attention to detail and the user's investment of time and effort are likely to be rewarded with annoyance and disappointment.

If Capture One isn't for you, there are other photographic packages available.

Abandoning Aperture is like buying a new computer to run Excel faster: every computer in the last five years screams with Excel (or insert another example). Aperture is a superb application but eventually Photos will catch up.

Unless there's a feature missing and available elsewhere, I'm staying with it. I'm also finishing a book and need the pictures!

That's a perfectly sensible decision, you can continue using Aperture until an OS upgrade breaks it irrevocably, unfortunately no-one knows when that will happen, so be prepared to abandon ship eventually.

Michael Spencer wrote:

Photos will catch up.

Hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.

My perception is that the majority (iPhone/iPad) of Apple customers making photos don't have a great need for the DAM capabilities like Aperture has/had. Thus, Apple has little motivation to build it into Photos.

Jerry

Looking to replace Aperture also. As has been noted the editing capabilities of Aperture are easy to find, it is the replacement of the DAM component that is hard to find.

Has anyone looked at Media Pro from PhaseOne (the same folks responsible for Capture One) ? Does it bring anything new to the table? They describe it as a Professional Photo Manager build to manage large photo libraries of both stills and video.

To you Rodphoto I am told by many at Apple that the louder or voice the better the slim chance of a change of position on Aperture being retooled to continue onward is tantamount to success. While I am at it if anyone has found an equal or close to equivalent...do let me know as I am not finding it. I'm loathe to go backwards and play in the Adobe realm...as that's truly looking backwards and don't want to have an intravenous line from my bank account into their's for a cheap imitation.

I'm disappointed that they made an insensitive decision to leave us high and dry. I am heavily invested as a pro into a work flow that increases my bottom line due to huge efficiencies not under one app by others right now. Time is NOT money after a shoot...so PLEASE APPLE WTFU AND GIVE US APERTURE BACK.

I don't know what features you're looking for so can only give you some of my impressions from a number of years of use. 

I've not used Capture One but have used Media Pro for many years, beginning when it was iView Media Pro.  It's an extremely powerful DAM app capable of cataloging images, videos, text, pdfs, html, audio, font and other types of files and searching and sorting by any number of criteria:

All of the ITPC fields can be used and written to the file itself.  It has Catalog fields which are similar to Album in Aperture or iPhoto.  Files can be renamed from Media Pro, run as a "referenced" catalog with source files on servers, is cross platform compatible, etc. It has some editing capability but can work easily with any 3rd party editor from within the app.

Here's a topic with one of my posts describing some of the fatjures:

Multiple users on multiple macs sharing iPhoto Library

If you still have your iPhoto library (should work with the Aperture library)  just follow this tutorial to migrate to MP1: iP03 - Converting an iPhoto Library to a Media Pro Catalog System

MP 1 has a 30 day demo version that you can experiment with to see if will suit your needs.

I don't know what features you're looking for so can only give you some of my impressions from a number of years of use. 

Thanks, Mr. Toad.

This looks extremely interesting and, certainly, merits the time to check out your references.

Thanks, again.

Jerry

I urge Apple's management to reconsider their decision on Aperture.

Aperture is used by advanced photographers who have huge influence. This influence leads to sales of more computers and software, all making money for Apple.

I'm both a professional photographer and a professional speaker. So my talks represent thousands of dollars worth of advertising for Apple because I'm using a Mac and Apple software.

Thanks much for the info.  Sounds like it is worth some time with their demo version.

regards

If Capture One isn't for you, there are other photographic packages available.

The whole premise for this discussion is the lack of alternative software with comparable DAM features and workflows.

Photoshop.