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Q: Bootcamp booting clobbered by Yosemite upgrade

I've enjoyed being able to boot into OSX Mavericks or Windows 8.1 for the past year on my MBP (mid 2012, single 500GB SSD) but I recently performed the Yosemite upgrade. The resulting OSX installation appears to work fine but when I hold down the Option key after the chime the option to boot from Bootcamp Windows is missing. Worse, when I set "Startup Disk" to Bootcamp Windows the result fails.

 

@Loner T usually requests the following Terminal results so here they are:

 

Last login: Sun Sep 20 22:09:22 on ttys000

My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$ diskutil list

/dev/disk0

   #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

   0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *512.1 GB   disk0

   1:                        EFI EFI                     209.7 MB   disk0s1

   2:          Apple_CoreStorage                         255.3 GB   disk0s2

   3:                 Apple_Boot Recovery HD             650.0 MB   disk0s3

   4:       Microsoft Basic Data BOOTCAMP                255.5 GB   disk0s4

/dev/disk1

   #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

   0:                  Apple_HFS Macintosh HD           *254.9 GB   disk1

                                 Logical Volume on disk0s2

                                 F6545BAB-5B31-4838-A188-C59D210B12FB

                                 Unencrypted

 

 

==========

 

My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$ diskutil cs list

CoreStorage logical volume groups (1 found)

|

+-- Logical Volume Group B8FA8874-F8C3-4EC1-8F53-0F555EDFC166

    =========================================================

    Name:         Macintosh HD

    Status:       Online

    Size:         255250432000 B (255.3 GB)

    Free Space:   18907136 B (18.9 MB)

    |

    +-< Physical Volume 84E5E470-49E8-4585-AA1D-397BDEA61A3D

    |   ----------------------------------------------------

    |   Index:    0

    |   Disk:     disk0s2

    |   Status:   Online

    |   Size:     255250432000 B (255.3 GB)

    |

    +-> Logical Volume Family E409753F-A5B6-4DAC-BF6F-17CE4956E11E

        ----------------------------------------------------------

        Encryption Status:       Unlocked

        Encryption Type:         None

        Conversion Status:       NoConversion

        Conversion Direction:    -none-

        Has Encrypted Extents:   No

        Fully Secure:            No

        Passphrase Required:     No

        |

        +-> Logical Volume F6545BAB-5B31-4838-A188-C59D210B12FB

            ---------------------------------------------------

            Disk:                  disk1

            Status:                Online

            Size (Total):          254879203328 B (254.9 GB)

            Conversion Progress:   -none-

            Revertible:            Yes (no decryption required)

            LV Name:               Macintosh HD

            Volume Name:           Macintosh HD

            Content Hint:          Apple_HFS

 

 

==========

 

My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$ sudo gpt -vv -r show /dev/disk0

Password:

 

gpt show: /dev/disk0: mediasize=512110190592; sectorsize=512; blocks=1000215216

gpt show: /dev/disk0: PMBR at sector 0

gpt show: /dev/disk0: Pri GPT at sector 1

gpt show: /dev/disk0: Sec GPT at sector 1000215215

       start        size  index  contents

           0           1         PMBR

           1           1         Pri GPT header

           2          32         Pri GPT table

          34           6        

          40      409600      1  GPT part - C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B

      409640   498536000      2  GPT part - 53746F72-6167-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

   498945640     1269536      3  GPT part - 426F6F74-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

   500215176         632        

   500215808   499077120      4  GPT part - EBD0A0A2-B9E5-4433-87C0-68B6B72699C7

   999292928      922255        

  1000215183          32         Sec GPT table

  1000215215           1         Sec GPT header

 

 

==========

 

My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$ sudo fdisk /dev/disk0

Disk: /dev/disk0 geometry: 62260/255/63 [1000215216 sectors]

Signature: 0xAA55

         Starting       Ending

#: id  cyl  hd sec -  cyl  hd sec [     start -       size]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1: EE 1023 254  63 - 1023 254  63 [         1 - 1000215215] <Unknown ID>

2: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

3: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

4: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

 

 

I would appreciate help getting Bootcamp booting again.

Posted on Sep 20, 2015 8:43 PM

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Q: Bootcamp booting clobbered by Yosemite upgrade

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  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 21, 2015 4:24 AM in response to trwd
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    Sep 21, 2015 4:24 AM in response to trwd

    Based on what you have posted, you seem to have an EFI installation. Your Mac does not fully support UEFI standard. Can you run msinfo32 and check of the following  information?

     

    13MBP-MSInfo-LegacyBIOS.PNG

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 21, 2015 7:01 AM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 21, 2015 7:01 AM in response to Loner T

    Thank you for replying, Loner T.

     

    Perhaps I misunderstand your request to run MSINFO32 but that's a Windows program.  The cause of this thread is that I am no longer able to boot into Windows on the MBP. I can see the contents of the Bootcamp partition in Finder so if there's a file I can look for in there, that is possible. But running any Windows programs is not possible, to my knowledge.

     

    FYI, during my first attempt to upgrade from Mavericks to Yosemite it errored out citing “a mismatch between the MBR and GPT partition maps…”

    I was able to fix it. See this thread.  That experience gave me the impression that the Windows installation uses MBR. Between fixing the mismatch and running the Yosemite installer I booted into and used both OSX and Windows 8.1 several times with no probs.

     

    Thanks again!

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 21, 2015 7:41 AM in response to trwd
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    Sep 21, 2015 7:41 AM in response to trwd

    Can you post the output of

     

    sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk0s4 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C

     

    Macs prior to Late 2013 models use Hybrid MBR to support Windows. Later Macs can support both EFI and MBR methods.

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 21, 2015 9:39 AM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 21, 2015 9:39 AM in response to Loner T

    Model Identifier: MacBookPro9,1



    Last login: Mon Sep 21 11:31:52 on console

    My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$ sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk0s4 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C

    Password:

    00000000  eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20  20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00  |.R.NTFS    .....|

    00000010  00 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00  3f 00 ff 00 00 b0 d0 1d  |........?.......|

    00000020  00 00 00 00 80 00 80 00  ff 4f bf 1d 00 00 00 00  |.........O......|

    00000030  00 00 0c 00 00 00 00 00  02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|

    00000040  f6 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  6a 35 e9 ee 6e e9 ee a8  |........j5..n...|

    00000050  00 00 00 00 fa 33 c0 8e  d0 bc 00 7c fb 68 c0 07  |.....3.....|.h..|

    00000060  1f 1e 68 66 00 cb 88 16  0e 00 66 81 3e 03 00 4e  |..hf......f.>..N|

    00000070  54 46 53 75 15 b4 41 bb  aa 55 cd 13 72 0c 81 fb  |TFSu..A..U..r...|

    00000080  55 aa 75 06 f7 c1 01 00  75 03 e9 dd 00 1e 83 ec  |U.u.....u.......|

    00000090  18 68 1a 00 b4 48 8a 16  0e 00 8b f4 16 1f cd 13  |.h...H..........|

    000000a0  9f 83 c4 18 9e 58 1f 72  e1 3b 06 0b 00 75 db a3  |.....X.r.;...u..|

    000000b0  0f 00 c1 2e 0f 00 04 1e  5a 33 db b9 00 20 2b c8  |........Z3... +.|

    000000c0  66 ff 06 11 00 03 16 0f  00 8e c2 ff 06 16 00 e8  |f...............|

    000000d0  4b 00 2b c8 77 ef b8 00  bb cd 1a 66 23 c0 75 2d  |K.+.w......f#.u-|

    000000e0  66 81 fb 54 43 50 41 75  24 81 f9 02 01 72 1e 16  |f..TCPAu$....r..|

    000000f0  68 07 bb 16 68 52 11 16  68 09 00 66 53 66 53 66  |h...hR..h..fSfSf|

    00000100  55 16 16 16 68 b8 01 66  61 0e 07 cd 1a 33 c0 bf  |U...h..fa....3..|

    00000110  0a 13 b9 f6 0c fc f3 aa  e9 fe 01 90 90 66 60 1e  |.............f`.|

    00000120  06 66 a1 11 00 66 03 06  1c 00 1e 66 68 00 00 00  |.f...f.....fh...|

    00000130  00 66 50 06 53 68 01 00  68 10 00 b4 42 8a 16 0e  |.fP.Sh..h...B...|

    00000140  00 16 1f 8b f4 cd 13 66  59 5b 5a 66 59 66 59 1f  |.......fY[ZfYfY.|

    00000150  0f 82 16 00 66 ff 06 11  00 03 16 0f 00 8e c2 ff  |....f...........|

    00000160  0e 16 00 75 bc 07 1f 66  61 c3 a1 f6 01 e8 09 00  |...u...fa.......|

    00000170  a1 fa 01 e8 03 00 f4 eb  fd 8b f0 ac 3c 00 74 09  |............<.t.|

    00000180  b4 0e bb 07 00 cd 10 eb  f2 c3 0d 0a 41 20 64 69  |............A di|

    00000190  73 6b 20 72 65 61 64 20  65 72 72 6f 72 20 6f 63  |sk read error oc|

    000001a0  63 75 72 72 65 64 00 0d  0a 42 4f 4f 54 4d 47 52  |curred...BOOTMGR|

    000001b0  20 69 73 20 63 6f 6d 70  72 65 73 73 65 64 00 0d  | is compressed..|

    000001c0  0a 50 72 65 73 73 20 43  74 72 6c 2b 41 6c 74 2b  |.Press Ctrl+Alt+|

    000001d0  44 65 6c 20 74 6f 20 72  65 73 74 61 72 74 0d 0a  |Del to restart..|

    000001e0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|

    000001f0  00 00 00 00 00 00 8a 01  a7 01 bf 01 00 00 55 aa  |..............U.|

    00000200

    My-MacBook-Pro:~ me$

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 21, 2015 10:22 AM in response to trwd
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    Sep 21, 2015 10:22 AM in response to trwd

    trwd wrote:

     

    The resulting OSX installation appears to work fine but when I hold down the Option key after the chime the option to boot from Bootcamp Windows is missing.

    This can happen if the installation is a BIOS/MBR and the MBR is missing. How do you get to start Windows if this option is missing?

    Worse, when I set "Startup Disk" to Bootcamp Windows the result fails.

    This is because the bless command has failed. Do you have any third-partty NTFS software? Can you also check Applications -> Utilities -> Console for any bootcamp-related entries.

     

    What year/model is Mac? Any Mac prior to Late 2013 models, is usually a MBR/BIOS installation and requires a Hybrid MBR, which is missing in your case. Later models support both UEFI and BIOS booting. EFI Boot also requires a MSR partition on the GPT-only disks.

     

    Can you also run the following two procedures and test?

     

    Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support

    How to Reset NVRAM on your Mac - Apple Support

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 22, 2015 12:11 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 22, 2015 12:11 PM in response to Loner T

    Thank you for replying, Loner T.  Your reply puzzles me.

     

    This can happen if the installation is a BIOS/MBR and the MBR is missing. How do you get to start Windows if this option is missing?

     

    Like I initially wrote, the option to boot the Bootcamp partition is no longer available by holding down Option during boot so I cannot "start Windows".

     

    ----------------

     

    Also, you ask:

    What year/model is Mac?

     

    I can't think of anything else to add other than what I've posted previously in this thread:

     

    my MBP (mid 2012, single 500GB SSD)

    Model Identifier: MacBookPro9,1

     

    If there's some other identifier please let me know how to find it.


    -----------------


    Your recent reply asks: "Do you have any third-partty NTFS software? Can you also check Applications -> Utilities -> Console for any bootcamp-related entries."


    I have no third-party NTFS software and cannot think of a reason I'd need it at this point.  Please explain how it's relevant.


    To answer the second half of your question, here is a screen cap of all references to Bootcamp in Console.


    bootcamp refs in console.png


    --------------


    Regarding your last request that I perform the following:


    Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support

    How to Reset NVRAM on your Mac - Apple Support


    I've already tried resetting NVRAM, with no change in the result, but I'm reluctant to reset the SMC because I don't know how it might affect my ability to use OSX.


    I'm curious why you're not replying to my post like other similar (appearing) posts.


    Bootcamp corruption.png


    Is there something about the reports and screen caps I've posted above that indicate anything special in my case?  


    My impression based on conversations with a couple Apple Senior Advisors is my Bootcamp's boot manager was corrupted by the Yosemite upgrade -- a problem that they have no simple fix or tool for (amazingly enough, unlike the countless tools available in Windows like FDISK, EasyBCD, Paragon software, etc.).


    I appreciate your willingness to help!

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 22, 2015 2:14 PM in response to trwd
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    Sep 22, 2015 2:14 PM in response to trwd

    The Apple Technical Support did not look far enough. If you are unable to see Windows in Startup Disk or unable to boot, the Yosemite Recovery Upgrade wiped your MBR. It can be easily recreated. Please download GPT Fdisk from http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/ and i will provide the steps.

     

    Your NTFS Bootcamp/Windows has the proper header as shown by the DD command.

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 22, 2015 8:21 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 22, 2015 8:21 PM in response to Loner T

    Thank you. I have GDisk.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 23, 2015 3:21 AM in response to trwd
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    Sep 23, 2015 3:21 AM in response to trwd

    Rebuild MBR to match the new GPT information thus resetting the Hybrid MBR. Use defaults for other questions (like partition codes). The only values that need modifications are the Boot flags and step 10. Accept all other defaults that Gdisk offers. Please see the sample Q&A as an example. These steps can be repeated if you make a mistake before you get to Step 12, otherwise start from Step 1 for these steps. Step 6 has numbers which are typed with a space between the numbers. Please see the sample Q&A before you execute these steps.

    1. Sudo gdisk /dev/rdisk0
    2. P  (Print list of parts)
    3. R  (Recover)
    4. O (print current Hybrid MBR)
    5. H (chooses Hybrid)
    6. Partitions numbers to be hybridized: 2 3 4
    7. Y  (Good for GRUB question)
    8. N  (part 2 boot flag)
    9. N  (part 3 boot flag)
    10. Y  (part 4 boot flag make NTFS bootable partition)
    11. O  (print current Hybrid MBR)
    12. W (Write the new MBR)
    13. Y (Yes! write the new MBR)
    14. Reboot

     

    Here is sample Q&A for this section. Please notice the Press Enter/Return.

     

    Place EFI GPT (0xEE) partition first in MBR (good for GRUB)? (Y/N): Y

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #2 (MBR partition #2)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default AF): Press Enter/Return

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): N

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #3 (MBR partition #3)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default AB): Press Enter/Return

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): N

     

    Creating entry for GPT partition #4 (MBR partition #4)

    Enter an MBR hex code (default 07): Press Enter/Return

    Set the bootable flag? (Y/N): Y

     

    Some of the following tests (1,2) may already be working in your specific case.

     

    Test 1 - Does Bootcamp Volume show up in Finder?

    Test 2 - Can you see files in Bootcamp Volume?

    Test 3 - Can you select Bootcamp in System Preferences -> Startup Disk?

    Test 4 - If Test 3 is successful, select Bootcamp and Click Restart.

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 25, 2015 2:04 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 25, 2015 2:04 PM in response to Loner T

    Thank you, Loner T. I had to travel the past couple days but am now ready to continue. Before making the changes you recommend I would like to make a backup image of my entire drive. Being a Windows IT person I am intimately familiar with imaging drives using programs like Terabyte Image and other tools, but I cannot find any equivalent tool for a dual-boot Mac that employs Bootcamp. For example, Stellar Disk Clone copies the Bootcamp partition but the resulting Bootcamp partition is not bootable or even NTFS any longer. Do you know of any imaging software that one can boot from a USB drive, clone or image a MBP system like mine, and end up with an actually usable dual-boot system?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 25, 2015 2:11 PM in response to trwd
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    Sep 25, 2015 2:11 PM in response to trwd

    You can try Winclone, CloneZilla or CampTune.

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 28, 2015 10:32 AM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 28, 2015 10:32 AM in response to Loner T

    Thank you for the suggestions, Loner T.  Of the programs you listed only Clonezilla might be able to copy the entire MBP drive and retain the ability to boot from OSX and Bootcamp. Since I'm a long time user of Terabyte's Image for Windows/DOS/Linux I'm currently experimenting with using it (aided by their Support people) to make a perfect clone of my MBP's internal drive before using GDisk to perform the mods you recommended earlier in this thread.

     

    While looking at how my MBP's current 500GB SSD is portrayed by Disk Utility a question for you arises. Here's a screen cap of what I'm seeing.

     

    MBP SSD in DU.png

     

    If the top item in the left pane refers to the physical drive why is the "Capacity" not 512GB, which is the actual capacity of the drive?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Sep 28, 2015 10:46 AM in response to trwd
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    Sep 28, 2015 10:46 AM in response to trwd

    Disk Utility does not represent this correctly. If you look at your diskutil cs list output,

     

    The LVG "Macintosh HD" is 255GB, Bootcamp is a separate partition, which is another 250+ GB. The GPT command output also reflects the same state. Bootcamp is a NTFS partition/volume, while Macintosh HD is a LVG/LV combination. A LVG can contain more than LV. You should check with CloneZilla . It is unlikely that such tools understand the LVG/LV abstractions.

  • by trwd,

    trwd trwd Sep 28, 2015 12:50 PM in response to Loner T
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    Sep 28, 2015 12:50 PM in response to Loner T

    Thank you again for responding, Loner T.  You're amazingly patient and helpful.

     

    In your last reply you wrote,

    "It is unlikely that such tools understand the LVG/LV abstractions."

     

    Are you saying that Clonezilla and/or Terabyte's Image for Linux may not understand the LVG/LV abstractions?

     

    The first clone I made using Terabyte's program will not boot, though its partition structure is identical.  I disconnected the internal drive to prevent a GUID conflict (clone and original having the same GUID, which causes problems in Windows at least -- don't know about Apple).

     

    Please confirm whether it is feasible to boot a MacBook Pro from an external USB drive when the internal drive is disconnected. (ignoring whether the copy is valid or bootable; just is it possible provided the external drive is a perfect copy of the original?)

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