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Q: Final Cut Pro X H265 Support

As a Final Cut Pro user from the get go, I'm wondering when apple will offer the native H265 capability.

Now that Adobe Premier is offering native H265 support, it's tough not to give their product a serious look.  

Anyone hear anything on the H265 FCPX support front?

Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)

Posted on Sep 27, 2015 12:30 PM

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  • by FMHAP,

    FMHAP FMHAP Jul 11, 2016 5:21 PM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Jul 11, 2016 5:21 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

    YES, MR. ALL CAPS.

     

    I posted more than anything in refutation of the "do you have a streaming server" red herring. Which was a total non-sequitur, as are the claims that H.265 is "not here."

     

    H.265 is patently here and we need to provide content for it. This is my show of hands.  I am proof.

     

    After years of Adobe/Avid/FCP7/Adobe again, I recently came back to test FCPX.

     

    I have a few days left on the trial and I have to either buy FCPX or resubscribe to Adobe Cloud for a whole year.

     

    So I came here to find out what the future of H.265 was with Apple.

     

    Clearly nobody has a clue.

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Jul 11, 2016 5:28 PM in response to FMHAP
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    Jul 11, 2016 5:28 PM in response to FMHAP

    You started with the caps.

     

    The thread was started more than nine months ago.

     

    Nobody who knows anything about any future plans of Apple can say anything.

     

    Did you bother to use feedback?

  • by FMHAP,

    FMHAP FMHAP Jul 11, 2016 5:40 PM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Jul 11, 2016 5:40 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

    Yes. Lighten up Francis.

     

    I guess it's back to Adobe for me and I'll check back in 12 months.

  • by David M Brewer,

    David M Brewer David M Brewer Jul 16, 2016 12:51 AM in response to FMHAP
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    Jul 16, 2016 12:51 AM in response to FMHAP

    I'll wade into this discussion… here are some 4k h.264 and h.265 encoding times using Adobe Media Encoder, DivX Pro Converter, Handbreak, and Apple's Compressor (no h.265 only h.264 times).

     

    I did some 1080p h.264/h.265 encodings... everything nowadays have been geared for fast 1080p encoding so these times aren't relevant any more... 4k will show the true time tests. Handbreak is a dog when it comes to encoding to 4k h.264/h.265.  But it does a good job at encoding to 4k h.264/h.265 and it’s free.  

     

    Adobe stuff is now using a rendering engine that uses Mercury Playback Engine GPU, which is suppose to be very fast. I think Apple's video products now uses this same rendering engine... not sure.  I'm on a 27" mid-2011 i7 (all decked out) and I'm not getting any benefits from all of this new behind the screen stuff encoding that is coming out.  Waiting for the new iMac to come out!!!

     

    Over all Adobe Media Encoder is the clear winner. Also, you can pause the encoding and resume it later with no lose in encoding time. When pausing/resuming an encoding in Composer you lose what has been encoded and the encoding has to start over. You can change from Rec. 709 to Rec. 2020 color space when exporting and a bunch of other cool stuff.

     

    When Youtube/Vermio allows h.265 uploads all he77 will break out. I rather upload a 400MB h.265 4k video with better quality rather than a 2 GB video any day.

     

    Here's the video I used for my encoding testing... https://youtu.be/deJQZmmW6mo

     

    Screen Shot 2016-07-16 at 1.22.14 AM.png

     

    (BTW, you can download the DivX (none Pro version) encoder for free http://www.divx.com/en/downloads . The playback app that comes with it is a lot better than VLC when playing back 4k h.265 videos. I just did a 4K h.265 10 Mbps with Media Encoder and it looks good!!!)

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Jul 16, 2016 1:18 AM in response to David M Brewer
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    Jul 16, 2016 1:18 AM in response to David M Brewer

    MMid-2011. Is that before the Intel processor had the H.264 code written on it?

     

    It's Handbrake BTW.

  • by David M Brewer,

    David M Brewer David M Brewer Jul 16, 2016 3:11 AM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Jul 16, 2016 3:11 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

    Tom Wolsky wrote:

     

    MMid-2011. Is that before the Intel processor had the H.264 code written on it?

     

    It's Handbrake BTW.

    It was the last iMac to have the dvd/player in it. The first to have a SSD. It came with SL. It was an iMac people was waiting for (I waited five months)... nobody did (Apple or third parties) anything to utilize it's capabilities. Sad very sad! The read/write to the SSD is bad...

     

    Screen Shot 2016-07-16 at 3.42.10 AM.png

     

    And that's after I update the SSD from a 256 to a 1 TB (and the ram from 16 gigs to 32 gigs). With the old SSD I was luck to get 200. The graphic card is a joke. I don't think anything uses the graphic card. It was the next iMac that things took off, late 2012.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I like this iMac. It just doesn't use anything that is new to speed things up. I use both FCPX and Premiere CC. I like Premiere for it's color correction and filters (10x better than FCPX). But, in Premiere put a filter on a video and add 1 to 2 hours for export. My work flow for both apps is... Start in FCPX do rough cuts... make text/graphics or lower thirds (bake those). Export to an XML. Open the XML in Premiere and do my CC and filters from there... export.

     

    Apple better not dumb down the next iMac.

     

    I've been writing HandBreak for 10 years... it's HandBreak.

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Jul 16, 2016 3:49 AM in response to David M Brewer
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    Jul 16, 2016 3:49 AM in response to David M Brewer

    HHave you tried Color Finale?

  • by David M Brewer,

    David M Brewer David M Brewer Jul 17, 2016 2:32 AM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Jul 17, 2016 2:32 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

    I got Color Finale when it came out... not impress. It's mainly for the developer to sell his LUTs and trainings. Why not just download the free version DaVinci Resolve and do your CC from there. (You can round trip from FCPX to Resolve and back to FCPX.)  I've never understood why people spend $$$ on a camera so they can shoot raw or (s)log and through a (crappy) LUT on it and be done.

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Jul 17, 2016 2:41 AM in response to David M Brewer
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    Jul 17, 2016 2:41 AM in response to David M Brewer

    PProbably because Resolve is really buggy and likes to crash. LUTs are starting points unless you"re a slave to overused and mindless looks. I think Finale puts a lot of controls in the software that are very strong like his color vectors.

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