Bill St. Clair
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Q: Conversations not grouped by subject in El Capitan mail

I get emails from Fail2Ban on one of the web servers I manage. Each one has a subject of the form "[Fail2Ban] WordPress: banned 45.41.92.66". They're all the same except for the IP address ("45.41.92.66"). Before El Capitan, all the messages with identical subjects, in this case the same IP address, were grouped into a conversation, with a handy dandy counter plainly visible. That made it easy to see which IP addresses were attempting logins so often that I needed to ban them permanently, not just for 10 minutes at a time, as my Fail2Ban is configured to do.

 

El Capitan mail organizes messages by actual conversations, i.e. messages that are responses to an original, but it doesn't group emails with identical subjects that are not actually part of the same conversation. This is likely correct for many email conversations, but it doesn't work for these Fail2Ban messages. I would love to have a preference to select the old way of grouping by only the text in the subject.

Mail, OS X El Capitan (10.11)

Posted on Oct 1, 2015 3:38 AM

by mecarpen,Apple recommended
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For those of you who can control the Subject of the incoming Emails to OS X Mail, prefix them with "Re: ".  For example, "Lake House Camera" becomes "Re: Lake House Camera".  When I made this change, my security camera Emails are organized just as they were before the upgrade.

Posted on Oct 5, 2015 11:18 AM

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  • by mecarpen,

    mecarpen mecarpen Oct 1, 2015 4:16 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 1, 2015 4:16 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    Bill,

     

    I too would like the old Conversations View back.  My Subject lines are exactly the same but they are no longer grouped.

  • by RedForeman,

    RedForeman RedForeman Oct 2, 2015 5:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 2, 2015 5:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I have a very similar case. I use Mail with a business account. I get daily fuel invoices, as well as several daily load availability offers, all with the same subject. Having them grouped makes it a lot less likely I will accidentally delete one, enables me to quickly delete them all at once, and saves the extra step of using the search box to find them.

     

    I'm disappointed that Apple did not carry this feature forward. When I get around to it, I may set up some virtual mailboxes to filter on the subject of the ones I use more frequently. The downside being an even more cluttered folder shortcut frame.

  • by MJHLP,

    MJHLP MJHLP Oct 2, 2015 8:25 AM in response to RedForeman
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    Oct 2, 2015 8:25 AM in response to RedForeman

    I'm having the same problem. I get notification emails from Authorize.net that were grouped by subject line in previous versions of OS X. That worked well for these kinds of regular emails. Seriously considering going back to Yosemite if I can.

  • by martymankins,

    martymankins martymankins Oct 2, 2015 9:38 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 2, 2015 9:38 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I just noticed this today when searching for several emails with the same subjects.  Yosemite grouped them together.  El Capitan does not.

     

    Even looking in the settings, thinking that view conversations got turned off in the upgrade.

  • by ShannyB88,

    ShannyB88 ShannyB88 Oct 2, 2015 12:33 PM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 2, 2015 12:33 PM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I thought I was going crazy, glad to know I'm not the only one with this issue. I have my security camera software send me an email with a screenshot every time a set camera sees motion and now that El Capitan doesn't group by subject my email is just littered with emails from my security cam software.   I hope we can get a fix for this soon because this is just getting out of hand!

  • by Hany Atfy,

    Hany Atfy Hany Atfy Oct 2, 2015 7:22 PM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 2, 2015 7:22 PM in response to Bill St. Clair

    i hope we get update to fix this problem soon

  • by recngamb,

    recngamb recngamb Oct 3, 2015 1:04 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 3, 2015 1:04 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I think everyone who thinks this is a problem should report a bug to Apple

  • by Bill St. Clair,

    Bill St. Clair Bill St. Clair Oct 3, 2015 2:51 AM in response to recngamb
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    Oct 3, 2015 2:51 AM in response to recngamb

    I've never found a good way to report bugs to Apple, other than these forums. There's a Bug Reporter for developers, but I see no way there to search for anybody's bugs but your own. There's http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html, but again, all feedback is individual, with no way to see what other people have reported. I guess if all of us with that problem gave feedback there, it might get more of a response from Apple than this discussion topic.

     

    Anybody know other ways to report bugs to Apple?

  • by RedForeman,

    RedForeman RedForeman Oct 3, 2015 5:23 AM in response to RedForeman
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    Oct 3, 2015 5:23 AM in response to RedForeman

    So my login to these forums is tied to an old me.com email account that I don't use for anything. The notification e-mails that come in when people post to this thread? Sorted into a conversation.

     

    So either the Apple forum e-mails are marked in a way to make Mail.app see a conversation, or the me.com mail host can trigger that somehow, or both.

     

    Anyone else seeing this?

     

    Kinda crappy if they introduced a feature to make that only work using Apple software end-to-end and disable it on everything else.

  • by Hany Atfy,

    Hany Atfy Hany Atfy Oct 3, 2015 2:25 PM in response to Hany Atfy
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    Oct 3, 2015 2:25 PM in response to Hany Atfy

    please ,    Help

  • by scuben,

    scuben scuben Oct 5, 2015 12:14 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 5, 2015 12:14 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    Same problem here. I had several mails grouped in a conversation in yosemite but after doing a clean install on el capitan I have not a single grouped conversation.

     

    I also already checked the setting (view > Organize by conversation).

  • by TechnoCuban,

    TechnoCuban TechnoCuban Oct 5, 2015 8:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 5, 2015 8:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I'm having the same issue as well. I see that replies to emails are still grouped but it is not grouping emails by subject. Love to see a setting to address this.

  • by Bill St. Clair,

    Bill St. Clair Bill St. Clair Oct 5, 2015 9:19 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 5, 2015 9:19 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    I described this problem at http://www.apple.com/feedback/, with a link to this discussion. I have heard that reports to that form are actually read and considered, and often result in changes.

  • by albrin,

    albrin albrin Oct 5, 2015 9:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair
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    Oct 5, 2015 9:47 AM in response to Bill St. Clair

    Very well done

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