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Q: how to download yosemite now that el capitan is out

I have a macbook pro late 2011 with 8 gig ram and I just got a ssd in the mail. I was planning on upgrading to yosemite as I'm still running 10.7.5, but I'm not sure how to find it now that the new one is out.  Any Ideas?

Posted on Oct 2, 2015 12:35 PM

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Q: how to download yosemite now that el capitan is out

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  • by iTBotB,

    iTBotB iTBotB Dec 2, 2015 11:27 AM in response to aagd
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    Dec 2, 2015 11:27 AM in response to aagd

    Here's my scenario. I'm still using Snow Leopard 10.6.8, but I'm forced to move onward (but not forward). I did a clean install of El Capitan on a separate hard drive. It worked fine. Then, I used Migration Assistant and restarted with a set-up that I hoped would work. I discovered that Outlook doesn't work. I did some reading and found that Outlook works with Yosemite, and all the post-Snow Leopard apps I need work on Yosemite. I'm happy, until I learn that there's no way to get a legit copy of Yosemite or its predecessors. I'm stuck. If I go to El Capitan, I must spend hours switching from Outlook to Mail and iCal and Address Book. I don't like any of those Apple programs.

     

    I'm tired of Apple fanboys who, by reflex, support every boneheaded decision Apple makes. Apple has made plenty of blunders, but the failure to sell or provide anything but the newest OS version is one of the worse. I've used Apple computers since 1983 (the Apple IIgs), so I've had plenty of time to see both the brilliance and ineptitude at Apple. The brilliance wins out by a large margin, but that doesn't mean that poor decisions should get a pass.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Dec 2, 2015 11:48 AM in response to iTBotB
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    Dec 2, 2015 11:48 AM in response to iTBotB

    That's funny, I had no trouble running Outlook 2011 under every OS from Snow Leopard to El Capitan (after MS released necessary updates for Office 2011 for El Capitan), and have no issues at all using Office 2016 under Yosemite or El Capitan. The 2016 version had some pretty major issues with the initial perpetual license boxed release, but MS fixed pretty much all of it with the large 15.15 updates.

     

    Sorry, but complaining isn't going to change Apple's mind. LOTS of complaining about the disaster that was Lion pushed them back away from the idea of trying to make a desktop OS look and behave like an iPad, but no amount of griping has changed their stance about removing older free OS versions when the next one comes out. So I doubt that's going to change.

     

    You can still purchase Lion or Mountain Lion if you want to move up that far (you don't need Lion before installing ML). After that, it's either jump all the way to El Capitan for free, or stay where you are.

  • by aagd,

    aagd aagd Dec 2, 2015 11:49 AM in response to iTBotB
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    Dec 2, 2015 11:49 AM in response to iTBotB

    If you find someone who has or had Yosemite installed, you can ask that person to re-download the installer and give it to you. Usually the installer gets deleted after the installation. Some people also need the installer to create repair sticks. It really should be available more easily...

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Dec 2, 2015 11:57 AM in response to aagd
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    Dec 2, 2015 11:57 AM in response to aagd

    Illegal. Any purchases from the App Store, including free items, are non-transferable. That and if that person ever needs to repair or reinstall Yosemite, they would need the App Store account name and password of the person who "borrowed" a copy to them. I sure know I wouldn't give anyone else that info no matter how much I trusted them otherwise.

  • by iTBotB,

    iTBotB iTBotB Dec 2, 2015 1:19 PM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Dec 2, 2015 1:19 PM in response to Kurt Lang

    I'm glad you had no trouble with Outlook. However, you and your Mac are not the world. Some of us cannot run Outlook under El Capitan. There are so many possible conflicts among applications and OS components that it's difficult to identify a cause. I don't have time for the trial-and-error method of a clean El Capitan installation followed by a clean Microsoft Office installation. If Outlook works, I would install my other applications one at a time, restarting after each app install, and see if Outlook still works. I'd be doing that full-time for the next two weeks. Troubleshooting conflicts was much simpler in the pre-OS X days. I will give Apple credit: operating system crashes are much less frequent since OS 10.3.

  • by iTBotB,

    iTBotB iTBotB Dec 2, 2015 1:21 PM in response to aagd
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    Dec 2, 2015 1:21 PM in response to aagd

    Not a bad idea, though it probably would violate Apple's EULA. Then again, breathing out too hard while running Apple software probably violates the EULA.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Dec 2, 2015 1:39 PM in response to iTBotB
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    Dec 2, 2015 1:39 PM in response to iTBotB

    Actually, the point was you are not the world. Millions of users are having no issue running Office 2011 or 2016 under Yosemite or El Capitan, or having any issues of note with the OS. Those not having issues don't come here to post, "All is hunky-dory!". I run Yosemite day in, day out using MS Office 2016, the Adobe CC Suite, Quark XPress and many other apps. I have no issues with any of them. I'm not having any real issues with El Capitan, either, but since this is my production machine, I always wait until at least the .2 update before entirely trusting it. The only thing that doesn't work right now is Sofortbild. And that's because Nikon hasn't updated their APIs for El Capitan developers yet. They're still waiting.

     

    Instead of griping about how Apple doesn't care, find the cause on your end. If your version of Office is 2004, then no, it won't run under Lion 10.7.x or later since it is PowerPC software, and that was completely dropped starting with Lion. This is hardly a secret. But since you're using Outlook, it has to be at least Office 2011. Have you applied all available updates to Office?

     

    You already tried a clean install to an erased drive, but start over. There's no telling what you dragged over from a migration that possibly fouled things up. Erase the drive again and reinstall the OS. Then install Office 2011 or 2016 (whichever you have) from the original source. Do not pull anything via migration or from a Time Machine backup. Apply all Office updates. Copy your Outlook database only onto the newly installed partition where it is normally created and saved by Office and test.

  • by aagd,

    aagd aagd Dec 3, 2015 3:46 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Dec 3, 2015 3:46 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Illegal? Possibly. But you shouldn't assume it until you really read the EULA. The rest about the repair and the account is just wrong. If you have the installer, it's as good as an installation DVD, with all tools included like disk repair and terminal. You can also build yourself a bootable USB stick with the installer, that will be helpful for disk repair etc (Create a bootable installer for OS X - Apple Support)

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Dec 3, 2015 6:59 AM in response to aagd
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    Dec 3, 2015 6:59 AM in response to aagd
    But you shouldn't assume it until you really read the EULA.

    I have, though you obviously haven't.

     

    http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html#APPS

     

    You have to go down quite a ways to find the terms regarding the App Store rather than iTunes. I highlighted the same restrictions I've already mentioned above.

     

    a. Scope of License: This license granted to you for the Licensed Application by Licensor is limited to a nontransferable license to use the Licensed Application on any Apple-branded products running iOS (including but not limited to iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch) (“iOS Devices”), Mac OS X (“Mac Computers”), Apple Watch, and Apple TV, as applicable (collectively, “Apple Device(s)”) that you own or control and as permitted by the usage rules set forth in the Mac App Store, App Store and iBooks Store Terms and Conditions (the “Usage Rules”). This license does not allow you to use the Licensed Application on any Apple Device that you do not own or control, and except as provided in the Usage Rules, you may not distribute or make the Licensed Application available over a network where it could be used by multiple devices at the same time. You may not rent, lease, lend, sell, transfer redistribute, or sublicense the Licensed Application and, if you sell your Apple Device to a third party, you must remove the Licensed Application from the Apple Device before doing so. You may not copy (except as expressly permitted by this license and the Usage Rules), decompile, reverse-engineer, disassemble, attempt to derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works of the Licensed Application, any updates, or any part thereof (except as and only to the extent that any foregoing restriction is prohibited by applicable law or to the extent as may be permitted by the licensing terms governing use of any open-sourced components included with the Licensed Application). Any attempt to do so is a violation of the rights of the Licensor and its licensors. If you breach this restriction, you may be subject to prosecution and damages.

     

    Clear enough for you now?

    The rest about the repair and the account is just wrong.

    The rest of it is 100% correct. What you want to do, and what is legal are two entirely separate things.

    If you have the installer, it's as good as an installation DVD, with all tools included like disk repair and terminal.

    Yes, for YOU on YOUR devices. Not your neighbors, friends, relatives or anyone else's devices not owned by you.

  • by RadToTheMAX93,

    RadToTheMAX93 RadToTheMAX93 Dec 3, 2015 8:31 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Dec 3, 2015 8:31 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Trollers be trolling Kurt. ITBotB isn't interested in solving the original poster's problem.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 3, 2015 8:43 AM in response to iTBotB
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    Dec 3, 2015 8:43 AM in response to iTBotB

    They have no hard drive or DVD disk copy of Yosemite for reinstalling. Using a clone backup may not work because it may have taken weeks for the user to discover that the El Capitan-related problem cannot be fixed.

     

    That may be true; but the first question is: why do they not have a backup? It is very simple and easy. Anyone should:

     

    a) have a backup - at least Time Machine

    b) have a bootable clone backup (my preferred method)

    c) always make a backup before performing any update/upgrade


    I have had to revert/erase/restore/clone back my system more than once. Except for the time involved, it was always easy: boot into the clone, erase my internal hard drive, and clone back my system.

  • by aagd,

    aagd aagd Dec 3, 2015 8:51 AM in response to babowa
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    Dec 3, 2015 8:51 AM in response to babowa

    If you had downloaded a Yosemite installer before, you can always access it via App Store/Purchased Items. Apple keeps the backup for you. But if you didn't load Yosemite before, you'll not be able to get it any longer.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 3, 2015 9:43 AM in response to aagd
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    Dec 3, 2015 9:43 AM in response to aagd

    I am aware of that.

     

    However, having to erase your hard drive (which is a must if you want to downgrade) and endure a 2 hour download plus having to restore all your apps and files is far worse than simply booting from a bootable clone, erasing your hard drive, and restoring your entire previous OS with all of your stuff.

     

    FWIW, I have copies of every OS installer starting with Lion. And I have two backups of every OS version I've run on my Macs.

  • by Terry Reilley,

    Terry Reilley Terry Reilley Feb 4, 2016 8:40 AM in response to babowa
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    Feb 4, 2016 8:40 AM in response to babowa

    OK, now that I've read through two pages of this, I would like to mention my scenario and ask for opinions:

     

    I have El Capitan on a Mid-2010 MBP and want to move back to Yosemite because the MBP keeps rebooting after it is running for while, usually when I'm in the process of running a 3D print (which cause the print to be ruined and I waste filament).

     

    I followed instructions on another Mac at home to download Yosemite from my Purchases and it downloaded, but then I got a message that the file couldn;t be opened because I'm on a newer version of OS X (The mac Mini ALSO has El Capitan).  When I look in the Downloads folder, the file wasn't there and I couldn't find it anywhere on the Mac.  Now I can't seem to download it a second time.  Booooo!!!!

     

    Thoughts?  Opinions?  Bueller?

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Feb 4, 2016 8:44 AM in response to Terry Reilley
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    Feb 4, 2016 8:44 AM in response to Terry Reilley

    After the download is finished, you will obviously get that notice since you have a newer system installed. When the download is finished, simply dismiss the installer and look for it in your Applications folder.

     

    You can also direct the download to an empty partition on an external drive.

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