Are all of these failures of El Capitan normal for a new OS X?

No, they're not. In fact, this is the first time in almost 15 years that I've seen that many critical issues in a new OS release. Every new version has its bugs, but this time lots of previous Beta testing was supposed to have solved most of them. However, apple screwed up big time this time. I expect them to come up with an urgent fix in a few days.

I am sitting here in front of El Capitan that I clean installed from a bootable USB stick, and restored my account from Time Machine. This is a 2011 Mac mini Core I5 (refurbished and without discrete GPU) with an internal OCZ Vertex SSD as the boot drive. The machine boots to the Desktop in about 10 seconds, and is running perfectly.

Most of the posts in this El Capitan community are either issues caused by outdated, or incompatible software, drivers, or peripherals that are indigestible by El Capitan. Or by those that attempt to do something outside of their actual skill set, or ill-advised to the installation process, and when things go bump, blame Apple or the the new OS X release for their troubles, because it is human nature to redirect blame.

El Capitan is just fine on our older hardware. No need to be nervous. There will always be issues with initial release software regardless of whether it is Apple, Microsoft, Ubuntu, or commercial OS providers. Apple is already working on OS X 10.11.1, and when the initial, inevitable issues are resolved, they will turn their attention to stability and performance tuning — though El Capitan is faster on this Mac mini that I expected. I have been using OS X for a very long time, and this may be the most stable, performing point 0 release in many years.

So neither of my Macs are having any problems with El Capitan. Remember these forums are like the ER, all you see in the ER are sick people.

Personally I don't know where Mike is coming up with his statistic on how bad El Capitan is but I have but on these forums since 2002 and the problems are in no way any worst that other releases.

Actually, ive been around this forum for a half dozen releases of Mac OS X. I would say El Capitan has been one of the quietest for troubles on this site.

If one thinks about how many computers the OS could be installed on, how many variations there are of each

computer, how many different applications can be installed on those computers and combinations

of those applications, different hardware accessories that can be attached (and combinations of them), etc.

the permutations of all that would probably be more than grains of sand on a beach. Also, there are the users

themselves and how well they maintain their computers.

So, bottomline is there will be issues with any new OS release on any platform. The more computers and

users there are, the more problems can pop up. The best that can be expected is to cover the "broad strokes"

and work on fixing the larger details as they crop up.

As for myself, I have installed El Capitan on four Macs ranging from a 2010 Mac Mini to a late 2013 27" iMac

without any issues with their operation.

The only reason I can see people being able to use EC is them using only the bundle mac apps.

I can't understand what am I doing wrong compared to you, 3 iMacs down the drain by El Capitan here, it's scary. I see people saying "I installed El Capitan…" I couldn't. Installed it from app store, worked for 10 minutes and… gone, since then I cannot access my data.

Whatever you say, it's scary… For the last 3 days I am struggling to get my data back or a way to reach it with no success.

Yes, I have backups, 2TB that I can't fit in any on my other iMacs and Time Machine restore allows only the full disk to be restored to my knowledge.

Installed in other IMac 2TB disk, boot from USB pen, restore… takes up to 18 hours, every time I came back, it did a reset, no reason no

explanation, no success.

Yes, I have a lot of stuff installed and Yes, I logged in, command line, move off *all* the extensions to an "Unsuported" folder, on the safe side, moved also the LaunchAgents and some suspicious LaunchDaemons, like hp stuff and so on.

One of the iMacs went zombie, the video card shows vertical green stripes at boot (since EC upgrade, too much coincidence) and whatever I do doesn't boot.

As I write this message (on my old faithful MBAir, 10.7) the iMac keeps rebooting by itself, slightly different results between every boot that keeps me trying despite I don't understand why different results on each boot… Read from somebody that after 20 reboots it got back, I didn't count them, by for sure its over that by now.

Does anybody have a clue on what to to, I really need to get back to work….

Please download and install EtreCheck from http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck

Run it and post the report here.

>hundreds of people can't even go past loading bar

>no need to worry, guys

Hey cats.pt, my video card is acting strangely too. Just to point out an example, you know when you go to the Dashbord and there is that transition between the screen you are and the Dashboard itself? So, my transition here is completely screwed up and very very stiff. Does that happen with you too?

Apology for bad english.

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The only reason I can see people being able to use EC is them using only the bundle mac apps.

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I have a lot of non-Apple apps installed and don't have issues, so don't make such a generalization.

(VMWare Fusion, Wireshark, Text Wrangler, RubiTrack 4 Pro, Photoshop CS6, Libre Office, etc., etc.).

>hundreds of people can't even go past loading bar

>no need to worry, guys

Out of an installed base in measured in millions? Exactly, no need to worry unless you are one of those people. If you are then you start to troubleshoot and fix whatever has gone wrong on your machine.

Whickwithy wrote:

My installation went completely smooth

I have had no issues with the upgrade.

Your question It is like coming to the Triage Unit of the Hospital asking why are there so many injures.

The rule is always have a redundant back-up plan in place when something goes wrong.

The only reason I can see people being able to use EC is them using only the bundle mac apps.

Then you can't see very much... Sitting here in front of 13 open applications, only one of which is made by Apple.

MikeB1967 wrote:

No, they're not. In fact, this is the first time in almost 15 years that I've seen that many critical issues in a new OS release. Every new version has its bugs, but this time lots of previous Beta testing was supposed to have solved most of them. However, apple screwed up big time this time. I expect them to come up with an urgent fix in a few days.

Well there ya go, everything worked fine on all 3 Macs that I upgraded. I see no signs of an Apple "screw up"