Q: Are all of these failures of El Capitan normal for a new OS X?

MikeB1967 wrote:

 

No, they're not. In fact, this is the first time in almost 15 years that I've seen that many critical issues in a new OS release. Every new version has its bugs, but this time lots of previous Beta testing was supposed to have solved most of them. However, apple screwed up big time this time. I expect them to come up with an urgent fix in a few days.

Well there ya go, everything worked fine on all 3 Macs that I upgraded. I see no signs of an Apple "screw up"

Old IT maxim: It is always better to have a backup and not need it then to need a backup and not have it.

Allan Eckert wrote:

 

Old IT maxim: It is always better to have a backup and not need it then to need a backup and not have it.

My personal belief is there is no such thing as too many backups!

My experience based on owning Macs since they were first introduced, as well as having worked with Windows systems, Macs have been consistently less troublesome than Windows and easier to fix. However, when such problems do happen, as happened to me this time, they are not always due to use of non-Apple bundled software as someone here said. I'm one of many who have been having problems related to the bundled Apple Mail program within 10.11, in my case being a problem with sending over non-Cloud (i.e. typical) email accounts.  It's a shame that all the beta testing didn't flush this out, but I'm told by one person that it did uncover this problem but it obviously hasn't gotten fixed yet. So the problem is that if Apple waited for a 100% guarantee that everything will work OK on every system that matched their system requirements, they'd never release anything new.  The only thing we should  all have learned over decades of using computers is that we shouldn't have installed a new operating system within hours of when  it was released, since there are always problems that get fixed in an update or two over the next month.  Having said that, I, too, forgot that basic rule this time, so I'm one of those helping Apple to learn what else needs to be fixed rather than being one of those who will benefit from the early adopters. And, although I've been a beta tester for other products myself, in a product which exists in as many varied settings as these computers, I guess it's impossible to flush out every little problem in advance.  At least, that's what I have to keep telling myself since if it wasn't for a helpful guy on one of these discussion threads, I'd probably still be totally miserable.

Hi,

Video card shows in all iMacs I have in the sacrifice table noise stripes on boot (unusual) on the one that was gone dead shows - always - green vertical thick lines.

What do you see? Share with us.

I suspect that Apple gone into some new strategies on video access, probably because of the 5K retina, but with very poor quality testing on the legacy hardware, like they did on 3rd party software.

Lucky you Csound1, what are they? iMacs?

Whickwithy wrote:

 

I'm kinda new to Macs/Apple, so this is the first time I've encountered a new operating system installation.  That's a lot of problems.

I was thinking this was all kind of quiet and the problems that have been posted seemed rather innocuous compared to the rest (especially Yosemite).

Believe me, I am a Apple fan and supporter, it's my choice of computing platform, given the alternatives.

I've been caught off guard, apparently like you Larry,  by trusting Apple, clicked "upgrade" so easily as before with Yosemite, Mavericks and all the big cats before, and sorry to say, that trust got to a much lower level after EC adventure.

Still, I believe that in the next few days they will come up with solutions. Hope so.

Update on my status: Now I have a beautiful EC login screen but if I login, reboots spontaneously every time, twice, 3 times.

Weird... the fans blow loudly on the login screen, like if it was sweating solving Einstein formulas.

Any hint would be appreciated.

cats.pt wrote:

Update on my status: Now I have a beautiful EC login screen but if I login, reboots spontaneously every time, twice, 3 times.

Weird... the fans blow loudly on the login screen, like if it was sweating solving Einstein formulas.

 

Any hint would be appreciated.

Sounds like incompatible third-party startup items. Can you boot into Safe Mode? Try safe mode if your Mac doesn't finish starting up - Apple Support

Have you started a separate thread for this problem?

I do have a update, too.

I finished backing up everything I could after a luckily logged in the Mac.

Then I got rid of Virus Barrier and Little Snitch, and rebooted the computer... and it went fine. A little odd, a little stiff, but still ok. It's like it's recovering from what it was. The graphics are behaving way better than before.

Will keep an eye on it.

In one of your posts you said something about having a lot of things installed:

Yes, I have a lot of stuff installed and Yes, I logged in, command line, move off *all* the extensions to an "Unsuported" folder, on the safe side, moved also the LaunchAgents and some suspicious LaunchDaemons, like hp stuff and so on.

There are a couple of somewhat major changes in EC: one is SIP (System Integrity Protection) - see some info here:

About System Integrity Protection on your Mac - Apple Support

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

It's possible that this might  be the cause of your installation problems - the installer might be looking for certain files and could not find them (or found some that were changed). And, FYI, both secure empty trash and repair permissions have been discontinued.

No this is something new from Apple!  Every other OS flowed smooth as silk.  This one flows like a pile of excrement.

So far 2 MBP's and one iMac, a Mini and 2 more MBP's will be next.

Larry Sochrin1 wrote:

The only thing we should  all have learned over decades of using computers is that we shouldn't have installed a new operating system within hours of when  it was released, since there are always problems that get fixed in an update or two over the next month. Having said that, I, too, forgot that basic rule this time...

The most basic rule for me is to make an up-to-date bootable backup of the startup drive (a clone) & test that I can in fact start up from it, immediately before installing a brand new OS version. I then test the new version with the apps I use regularly. That way, if there are any significant problems I can just boot from the clone & continue working as normal or clone it back to the startup drive.

Time Machine backups can provide much the same function, & I maintain two independent TM backups of my system as well, but having the clone ready to go is much faster.