Q: Are all of these failures of El Capitan normal for a new OS X?

Just another opinion.

I bit the bullet and upgraded and everything went perfectly.  No glitches at all.

Re fans blowing loudly on startup, you may have a problem I had periodically after I bought my computer a few years ago.  I found an article somewhere that said to reset the SMC, which was easy to do (I think after turning it of, I just pulled out the plug from the back of the computer and left it out for a while), which  solved that problem for me and later showed up the  following Apple document:

Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support

Yeap, have been there (SIP, crsutil). Not bad, and that's not the issue.

Thanks anyway.

I own a big excuse to Apple team by suspecting EC.

My problem was faulty memory modules, I am back on track.

Thanks for being with me on this harsh moments guys...

i have been an Apple user, and now a Mac user since the Apple II GS came out. Ive had a Mac Classic, a Quadra, iMacs and now a MacBook Pro. I have also owned iPhones since iPhone 4, iPads (currently iPad Air). I resent the accusation that suggests the problems many of us are having with El Capitan are attributable to user error or incompatible hardware. Apple lists the hardware compatibility requirements on its website. Moreover, Apple has been pretty good about verifying compatibility before installing a new OS.

i'm almost inclined to believe that El Capitan is by far the all time worst release. Installing an Apple OS requires minimal hands on interaction, and most of those are post-install settings.  The "veterans" of this forum who claim to have had flawless installs are either Apple employees posing as users, or such patriotic users that they just cannot accept the truth: Apple is losing its mojo. I have fewer problems with my Windows machine!

I'm reconsidering my buy the newest MacBook sand after iOS 9, I'm also reconsidering purchasing the iPad Pro. I'll take a close look at the Surface Pro.

Whoever is running Apple now, is running right into the ground. it pains me to say it too. I've been an Apple/Mac user since the late 1980's and I have never witnessed nor experienced such widespread problems installing a new OS release.

-KAU

Are all of these failures of El Capitan normal for a new OS X?

- Yes. Use a Mac since 10.3. Every upgrades has it's share of glitches. The good news is that Apple will solve a lot usually in about two weeks and in fact that is way better than I was used to with Microsoft.
- No. There are some issues caused by the new security measurements applied by Apple. USB audio is in big trouble. Some applications get broken because they use to install themselves in locations that Apple now wants to protect.
These issues are ugly, because we are dependent of third parties in order to get them resolved. If they don't do that for older hardware or software we might be out of luck. Or they might charge for a new update. Whether it is about Apple behaving arrogant or parties like Adobe beging lazy is a matter of opinion. But these are issues that might cause you not being able to complete your work today.

Kebia007 wrote:

 

 

i'm almost inclined to believe that El Capitan is by far the all time worst release. -KAU

Yeah yeah yeah. We have heard this in the forums for every OSX ever released. To be honest, this is the least complained about initial release I have ever seen here.

Pete

I have also been a Mac user since the Mac Plus.  I agree with petermac87, this has been

one of the least complained about to my knowledge. As for me, I have upgraded 4 Macs

with no issues whatsoever:

2010 2.4GHz, Core2Duo, Mac Mini

2011 2.0GHz, quad core i7, Mac Mini Server

early 2011, 2.7GHz i7, 13" Macbook Pro

late 2013, 3.2GHz, quad core i5, 27" iMac

The 2010 Mini runs 24/7 as a server, the 2011 Mini is my home entertainment system

and is used many hours nightly (recently a cord cutter from cable TV), and my iMac

is my workstation which is used heavily on a daily basis.  The Macbook Pro is used

on an as needed basis.

My newly purchased iPhone 6S is also working great with iOS9.02 (as did my 5S which I

upgraded from).

"Whoever is running Apple now, is running right into the ground. it pains me to say it too. I've been an Apple/Mac user since the late 1980's and I have never witnessed nor experienced such widespread problems installing a new OS release."

You haven't been paying much attention over the years.

Kebia007 wrote:

 

i'm almost inclined to believe that El Capitan is by far the all time worst release. Installing an Apple OS requires minimal hands on interaction, and most of those are post-install settings.  The "veterans" of this forum who claim to have had flawless installs are either Apple employees posing as users, or such patriotic users that they just cannot accept the truth: Apple is losing its mojo. I have fewer problems with my Windows machine!

Maybe you're just a Microsoft employee posing as a user.

My install was completely flawless. Even my Wife's POP email accounts were converted without issue.

The reason us "veterans" have flawless installs is we don't install crapware on our systems to begin with. There's no reason to clean, optimize, protect, or maintain your Mac, and putting any of that crap on it will cause tons of problems, especially when upgrading.

I agree,

I started this thread being unfair to Apple, at the end of the day it was my fault.

But in fact EC has some low-level modifications, the SIP is known but there is more for sure, on memory and video access, my guess.

Sharing my lesson,

iMacs 2010 accept a maximum of 16Gb, implicit but not explicit, 4Gb memory modules, all slots.

It's explained in Apple support - about this mac - Memory - Instructions.

I had 32Gb memory running smooth in Yosemite for months (4 x 8Gb), upgrading to El Capitan, brought this issue up, where a warning would have saved me all of this troubles I went into, in fact this issue is translated into Kernel panic and repeated reboots.

Also confirmed is that you can't use 8Gb memory modules like 2 slots w 8Gb.

My bad anyway.

Whickwithy wrote:

 

I'm kinda new to Macs/Apple, so this is the first time I've encountered a new operating system installation.  That's a lot of problems.  Gotta say, it kinda scares me.  My installation went completely smooth, except for the first start-up but it wasn't that bad and I figure it's just familiarity with the "Apple way".  I don't fiddle with unusual apps much (which seems to be causing a lot of headaches) and would probably concentrate on Apple-supported apps, anyways, for the sake of safety.  As my machine gets older (I think my last windows machine was 15-20 years old when I converted), I'll probably be more careful to check requirements on a new installation and make darn sure I can revert back to the previous version, if it breaks.

I don't think Apple works with any 3rd party software -- I run Intego security software - and Sunday's update included something for El Capitan

You will have issues with IPHOTO to PHOTOS if after an install of new IPHOTO  release when you opened the library you received a message DO you want to update?  The message should have been Do you want to convert this library to new level of IPHOTO -- Or just an message I am now converting this library to new level of Photo.     

Apple also just keeps surging  ahead and dropping support willy nilly and it is up to the user to figure out if you can install it.

notcloudy wrote:

 

 

I don't think Apple works with any 3rd party software -- I run Intego security software

? Intego is 3rd party software and you run it, your sentence makes little sense.

Is it just me who have problems with Bluetooth headset audio lag after updating to EC from Yosemite?

I can´t even listen to music or se a film with the headset anymore! When the audio is lagging, even the wifi mouse i lagging.

In Sketchup I can´t have the program in full screen or split screen. When I work the screen is switching to first window (first desk)?

Everything else seems to work properly.

/Johan

Rather incoherent and unclear.

I don't think Apple works with any 3rd party software -- I run Intego security software - and Sunday's update included something for El Capitan

This is utter rubbish. Apple make the OS. It's the 3rd party developer's job to keep their software up-to-date to run on the system. To this end they can get pre-release versions of the OS as its developed, can meet Apple engineers to discuss issues they have and so on. If the 3rd party software is not up-to-date then that's solely the responsibility of the developer of that software.

Intego security software is a waste of money and energy.

You will have issues with IPHOTO to PHOTOS if after an install of new IPHOTO  release when you opened the library you received a message DO you want to update?

You won't. You will get asked to update the Library format when laughing a new iPhoto version only depending on the version you are updating from. This has nothing to do with migrating to Photos.

The message should have been Do you want to convert this library to new level of IPHOTO -- Or just an message I am now converting this library to new level of Photo.    

No it should not. Updating the iPhoto Library and migrating to Photos are two different things.

Apple also just keeps surging  ahead and dropping support willy nilly and it is up to the user to figure out if you can install it.

There is nothing "willy nilly" in what Apple do. They announce things well in advance, and, should you go look for the information it's all there for you to read. That's your job: to decide what you want to do on your machine.