In shuffle mode, some songs never get played, why?

I have most of my music in 1 playlist (about 2500 songs) which I listen to all the time, always in shuffle mode. I became aware that my ipod was never playing some songs, yet others were recurring quite frequently. When I checked the playcount, it showed the highest count at 46, yet it also showed that many tracks that had been in the playlist just as long, have never been played. Why is this? Is my ipod secretly asserting it's own taste in music? Does shuffle mode favour songs with a higher playcount? Is there a way to stop this happening? Has anybody else experienced this? Suggestions gratefully received.

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Posted on Nov 9, 2006 7:52 AM

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Nov 9, 2006 8:02 AM in response to Tom Mckerrow

Here's the thing with computers; as random as they are, we may not think of it as being random. If your iPod just happens to play 10 songs from one artist before moving on, that's how it works.

However, the folks at Apple are smart, and have catered to the needs of users like you, who wish for more random-ness. In iTunes, you can tweak the settings for shuffle and just how likely it will be that hear the same artist or album twice in a row. The setting is under Playback in the preferences. I'm not 100% sure if iPods have a different slider in the iTunes preferences or if they use the one you can set in iTunes, but play around when your iPod's plugged into your computer. If there's no setting under the iPod preference pane, then it uses the same one that's under Playback.

Let me know if this helps!

Nov 9, 2006 8:43 AM in response to JazzMann04

Thanks for the suggestion, but I have always set the smart shuffle preference to 'least likley'.

I think there is more to this problem than that. I have done a count and there are over 300 songs in the playlist that the ipod has never played. Some of which have been there for over 2 years!

Maybe the playlist is just too large and I should break it down into several smaller ones

Nov 9, 2006 9:16 AM in response to Tom Mckerrow

Is this on the iPod or in iTunes?
This is the iTunes forum.

When selecting a playlist, go to Music -> Playlist -> Playlist name and then press Play.

Do NOT go to the playlist name and press select so you see the songs and then press play. If you do this, it will not reshuffle the songs (at least not all the way).

If you have a playlist of 2500 soings and play it all the way thru (without stopping), you will hear all 2500 songs with no repeats.

Does shuffle mode favour songs with a higher playcount?
Not on the iPod.

The iPod does not have the preference to adjust playing higher rated songs more often.

Nov 10, 2006 3:29 AM in response to Chris CA

I only posted this on the iTunes forum because I assumed that as the preferences for the iPod are set in iTunes that this is where the problem would lie.

However your tip about pressing play on the playlist name and not going to through to the songs could well be the answer, as in the past I have always gone all the way to the songs before pressing play.

I just wish the iPod displayed the playlist name in the 'now playing' window

I will try your recommendation and let you know, many thanks.

Nov 10, 2006 2:14 PM in response to JazzMann04

I've heard this excuse before, that what we think is random really isn't, but when certain trends occur enough times, its pretty clear that there is some kind of algorithm or something in the coding that affects the shuffle.

I know random means random, but there are too many "random" coincidences and apparent patterns that occur to raise doubt that it truly is as random as Apple claims.

One such example, is that when using the Shuffle Songs feature (that shuffles all tracks on the iPod) I had 2-3 tracks from the same album (an album I had never even listened to yet) showing up within the first 40 tracks five times in a row. Numerous other songs showed up in at least 3 of the 5 "trials." Out of 8,000 songs.

On a playlist (of 300 or less songs is all I have tried), if you have multiple songs off the same album, you are far more likely to hear at least one other song off a given album within about 10 songs then you are to not hear a song off the same album. A specific example of this is on a playlist of 105 songs I have, there are 3 songs off one album, however nearly every time 2 of the songs will play within a 10 track range, and nearly as often all 3 songs will play within the same 20 track range.

I know random isn't perfectly spaced songs, but when certain things happen often enough, the odds of it become so low that even the "true random" explanation doesn't cover it.

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