Still unable to turn on two-factor authentication even when the Set-up button is present

alanplum wrote:

iCloud Control Panel is for Windows.

Thank you. I don't have windows but I did login to my wife's AppleID account on appleID.apple.com to disable the two step so I could enable the two factor.

Make sure you turn off 2SV using appleid.apple.com, but turn on 2FA from A DEVICE.

I noticed that turning off 2SV on the web, only offered 2SV to turn on , but the device offers 2FA.

It's in the iOS 9.3 release notes that ALL iCloud accounts are now enabled for 2FA.

alanplum wrote:

Make sure you turn off 2SV using appleid.apple.com, but turn on 2FA from A DEVICE.

I noticed that turning off 2SV on the web, only offered 2SV to turn on , but the device offers 2FA.

It's in the iOS 9.3 release notes that ALL iCloud accounts are now enabled for 2FA.

Yes I did that since you cannot enable two factor via the website. But that does not solve my issue.

alanplum wrote:

Strange.

All I can leave you with is this...an extract from the iOS 9.3 release notes.

"Two-factor authentication is now available for all iCloud accounts"

Yes thank you.

Not sure why when I try to enable I get the "other devices not ready yet" and "credit card not on file".

gregory202 wrote:

contacted apple senior advisor, two conditions that Apple does not seem to advertise.

1 credit card on file

2 every device is locked with passcode.

I Also talked to senior Engineer at Apple and if on family plan and only a member and not organizer, you will get the other devices warning.

Just turn on anyway and it will work. They may have to update their support site with these changes according to Apple.

gregory202 wrote:

contacted apple senior advisor, two conditions that Apple does not seem to advertise.

1 credit card on file

2 every device is locked with passcode.

It boggles my mind that a credit card needs to be on file. Other providers use two-step authentication, I utilize it, and no credit card is needed.

If i were you I would ask Apple about policy decisions and not me, but my understanding of 2FA that unlike 2SV Apple wants to have recovery ability, cc would be one of the best methods of recovery verification to them, short of driver licence. Since driver licence is not needed for Apple id's I can easily see sense in that. Another thing if you are comparing to Google or Yahoo, those could care less if you do not recover your email. And you can always go back to 2SV, without credit card. For me that was breaking point so no 2FA here.

gregory202 wrote:

If i were you I would ask Apple about policy decisions and not me, but my understanding of 2FA that unlike 2SV Apple wants to have recovery ability, cc would be one of the best methods of recovery verification to them, short of driver licence. Since driver licence is not needed for Apple id's I can easily see sense in that. Another thing if you are comparing to Google or Yahoo, those could care less if you do not recover your email. And you can always go back to 2SV, without credit card. For me that was breaking point so no 2FA here.

Wasn't asking, only venting but thanks for the opinion anyway.

I was able to activate 2FA without entering my credit card. It's rather simple. When the pop-up message appears, just hit proceed anyway, and you'll be in.

Suffice it to say, I didn't like the fact I had to leave a credit card on file so I reverted to 2SV.

zinacef wrote:

gregory202 wrote:

If i were you I would ask Apple about policy decisions and not me, but my understanding of 2FA that unlike 2SV Apple wants to have recovery ability, cc would be one of the best methods of recovery verification to them, short of driver licence. Since driver licence is not needed for Apple id's I can easily see sense in that. Another thing if you are comparing to Google or Yahoo, those could care less if you do not recover your email. And you can always go back to 2SV, without credit card. For me that was breaking point so no 2FA here.

Wasn't asking, only venting but thanks for the opinion anyway.

I was able to activate 2FA without entering my credit card. It's rather simple. When the pop-up message appears, just hit proceed anyway, and you'll be in.

Suffice it to say, I didn't like the fact I had to leave a credit card on file so I reverted to 2SV.

I know you weren't asking - you know that better then me. I would be discouraged using 2FA without cc, simply because recovery may be impossible...

gregory202 wrote:

zinacef wrote:

gregory202 wrote:

If i were you I would ask Apple about policy decisions and not me, but my understanding of 2FA that unlike 2SV Apple wants to have recovery ability, cc would be one of the best methods of recovery verification to them, short of driver licence. Since driver licence is not needed for Apple id's I can easily see sense in that. Another thing if you are comparing to Google or Yahoo, those could care less if you do not recover your email. And you can always go back to 2SV, without credit card. For me that was breaking point so no 2FA here.

Wasn't asking, only venting but thanks for the opinion anyway.

I was able to activate 2FA without entering my credit card. It's rather simple. When the pop-up message appears, just hit proceed anyway, and you'll be in.

Suffice it to say, I didn't like the fact I had to leave a credit card on file so I reverted to 2SV.

I know you weren't asking - you know that better then me. I would be discouraged using 2FA without cc, simply because recovery may be impossible...

With 2FA if you don't have your recovery key its the same. In my case my wife who is a member on my family plan does not have a cc on file since Apple separates the account for iCloud.

It looks like if other family members are all using organizer's Credit Card as payment method, they can't enable 2FA unless they enter their own Credit Card too.

But what about child's Apple ID? They don't have personal Credit Card so they can't enable 2FA?

Then how to enable 2FA? Family has 3 Apple IDs, only mine has 2FA enabled, the other 2 IDs don't even have 'enable 2FA' button in iCloud/Security under iOS 9.3 (before iOS 9.3, there is '2FA' button but it prompted error 2FA not available for this Apple ID).

They never have Two-Steps enabled before, nothing to be turned off at appleid web site.

OK I managed to enable one more Apple ID, which didn't have security questions setup, maybe Apple treated that as 'incomplete' Apple ID account so it refused to continue rest of functions. Once I filled up security questions, I have 2FA-enable option immediately.

But, the 3rd Apple ID, Child's Apple ID, is still unable to have 2FA-enable option, even it has security questions setup already.

someone tested and confirmed kids under 13 don't have two-step or two-factor options listed in their appleid web page. i think it is because of the federal regulation, that kids under 13 aren't supposed to put information on the net.

change birthday will work.

Great to see this finally available for everyone.

Love how instantly the codes get pushed to trusted devices.

Had to turn off 2 step first then activated 2 factor via a device as it does not seem to make it available at appleID.com.