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What to do post-RAID in El Capitan?

Hi Everyone,


I've just upgraded to El Capitan, and quickly discovered that my Backup RAIDset has disappeared from Disk Utility; they now show up as unnamed, individual devices.

I've read that Apple has deliberately removed this, so it's a feature, not a problem. Time Machine still fires up and lets me browse my old stuff, but what (if anything) should I do with my HDDs now? Am I still seeing a true view of a RAIDset or is 1 of the drives now redundant and idle? I don't want to go creating new partitions, for fear of losing my backup data!

iMac (21.5-inch Mid 2010), OS X El Capitan (10.11)

Posted on Oct 15, 2015 2:21 PM

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Oct 16, 2015 1:27 AM in response to LiquiGaz

Ah, so your Backup is not lost. The RAID is broken, but either drive can provide a decent Backup, they just can't work together any more.


If you feed the two separate drives to Time Machine, it will automatically alternate drives on every other backup. That is actually a much better setup, because if it makes an error, it does not make it in duplicate -- each copy is a little bit different internally.


I think if it were mine, I would erase one of the drives, and give it back to Time Machine and let it alternate with the original RAID Drive. That is what I use with my Home Server, and it seems to work well.

Nov 9, 2015 6:28 AM in response to LiquiGaz

...I've read that Apple has deliberately removed this, so it's a feature, not a problem. ...

RAID support has only been removed from the Disk Utility GUI

RAID arrays can still be configured via the command line version diskutil

from Terminal.


Before doing anything, you may want to check via diskutil whether the drives are still in fact

configured as RAID. It may be there is some bug in the GUI that shows RAID volumes as

independent drives.


In Terminal, simply type diskutil and enter to find all the command "verbs" and options are.

Even in the with the old version of Disk Utility, there were still command line options available

that weren't in the GUI.


FWIW, what I would do instead of having Time Machine writing to a RAID, I would continue to

use one drive for Time Machine and use the other drive as a bootable system clone. Having

the bootable clone can get you back up and running immediately should something happen

and allow to fix things at a later time. Also, doing a full system restore from a clone can usually

be faster than using Time Machine. Time Machine would then be used for a quick restore from

smaller incremental change issues or the "Oh crap I deleted my project!!".


I am set up to have Time Machine do its thing hourly/daily/etc. and do incremental weekly backups

to the clone.

Nov 9, 2015 6:49 AM in response to LiquiGaz

If your RAID is still working typing this command in Terminal will tell you the status:


diskutil AppleRAID list


Usage: diskutil [quiet] appleRAID|AR <raidverb> <options>,

where <raidverb> is as follows:


list (Display the current status of RAID sets)

create (Create a RAID set on multiple disks)

delete (Delete an existing RAID set)

repairMirror (Repair a damaged RAID mirror set)

add (Add a spare or member disk to an existing RAID)

remove (Remove a spare or member disk from an existing RAID)

enable (Convert a volume into a single disk RAID set)

update (Update the settings of an existing RAID)


diskutil appleRAID <raidverb> with no options will provide help on that verb


---------

diskutil AppleRAID list


AppleRAID sets (1 found)

===============================================================================

Name: SrvDrv1T

Unique ID: 197AE52F-76AF-4AEE-95BE-0ADC970EAB32

Type: Mirror

Status: Online

Size: 999.9 GB (999860895744 Bytes)

Rebuild: manual

Device Node: disk3

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# DevNode UUID Status Size

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

0 disk0s2 2311A3F3-3439-431C-9411-0C22D401D939 Online 999860895744

1 disk1s2 13266F2A-4E90-4870-A654-BAED2CEC636C Online 999860895744

===============================================================================


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Nov 9, 2015 10:09 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I just think that removing it after its been in OS X since before tim cook being a CEO, and all of sudden they have taken it off from OS X and as of today using terminal is archaic. for many of us users that needs things quick and done typing all this mumbo jumbo, really, does not make any sense do you type terminal commands in your iPhone or iPad. Really OS X is heading towards backward instead of forward.

Nov 9, 2015 10:42 AM in response to Switch900

Apple has not provided any specific guidance (that I have seen) about why it was removed from the GUI.


I can only speculate that Apple decided RAID was an advanced feature, or that too many inexperienced Users were getting themselves in trouble using it, and removed it from the mainstream by removing the GUI interface for it.


Now you really have to want it -- you have to use Terminal to set it up.

Nov 9, 2015 11:14 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

AS we speak I am retroverting to Yosemite just because El Capitan is not as advance as to an OS should be, but all I could say why take the burner feature also, many people are having problems with the SuperDrives also. Now that is true they are not installing SuperDrives onto the new mac computers and one of the reason why I have a data doubler where my SuperDrive use to be with, one terabyte ssd and with another 1 terabyte ssd in the hdd bay and with a raid 0 array which gives me a max 2 terabyte and a blazing speed new iMac for more years to come and for sure I won't be updating to no new OS further more if it works why update the OS.

Nov 28, 2015 7:30 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hi Grant,

Thanks for your help thus far; most enlightening! I'm no expert at the command line, but I've managed to ascertain that I have a disk problem. No idea if it's physical or just a RAIDset issue - so I dont know if there's anything I can do with diskutil to fix it? I'm glad to say that Time Machine IS still working. This issue only appeared after upgrading to El Capitan and signing up to iCloud (surely just a co-incidence)? ;-) Anyway, here's what I can see, so any and all suggestions most welcome!


The Disk Utility GUI (what's left of it) reveals both my Western Digital hard drives to be present. But the RAID set doesn't appear here any more?

User uploaded file

Running 'First Aid' on them comes up clean. Their presence is also confirmed by the command diskutil list

User uploaded file

I'm assuming that disk3 is/was the RAID drive, as it's virtual?


However.... if I try and inspect the RAID status with diskutil AppleRAID list I get this:-


User uploaded file

so there's evidently something wrong. I tried to use your repairMirror command, but I can't get the syntax or arguments right; it just keeps saying "illegal option -- e" Evidently something wrong with my typing! Seeing what I've got, could you tell me the exact command(s) I need, please?


My Mac is now running like a dog and keeps freezing, requiring a power-off reboot. I'm hoping that it's because of the disks, so if I can get that fixed, hopefully everything else will start to work seamlessly again. Like it used to, before iCloud and El Capitan..... :-(

Nov 28, 2015 7:52 AM in response to LiquiGaz

The procedure is slightly different from your assumptions. The RAID can only be rebuilt onto a Blank or Spare drive, not one that contains data, even if failed. (disk2s2 is listed as failed.)


A mirrored RAID can be repaired ONCE by erasing the drive listed as failed, then either declaring it a spare or manually adding it back into the RAID, then having the RAID rebuild if it does not do so automatically. (Rebuild can easily take all afternoon and most of the night, but you can quit the Utility once it starts to rebuild and it will proceed, slowly, in the background.)


If you have to rebuild it more than ONCE, that drive is not good enough to trust with RAID data, and a new one should be used instead.

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