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can't send mail in OSX 10.4

Have successfully set up mail in el capitan to send and receive mail from charter.net. However, the same settings will not allow sending mail on an older mac running OSX 10.4, No combination will allow contacting the outgoing mail server. Since mail does wor to send mail in el capitan, this leads me to beleive that somehow mail version 2.1.3 running on OSX 10.4 is the culprit.


Does anyone have OSX 10.4 running and can successfully send mail from charter.net? If so, can you please share details?

Posted on Oct 20, 2015 10:03 AM

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Oct 20, 2015 11:01 AM in response to BDAqua

Thanks for replying. I have the incoming IMAP set up on 10.4.11, and incoming works fine. It the outgoing server that mail 2.1.3 can't contact. This is quite strange because mail 9.0 on el capitan, with the exact same settings CAN contact and use the outgoing server.


On 10.4.11, the web based email client will not load. This doesn't surprise me, because charter likely doesn't maintain any sort of web standards. I tried firefox and (god help me) even IE to use the web email client on 10.4, and it failed to laod on all of them.


Since apple mail DOES work on el capitan, I'm highly suspicious this is not an issue with charter, but a bug/incompatibility with 10.4 and mail 2.1.3. But if a user in the community can tell be the had success sending mail via charter with OS 10.4/ apple mail, i'd like to hear about it.

Oct 20, 2015 1:33 PM in response to BDAqua

Thanks, yes, I have tried these settings, and many other permutations. PW authentication (as well as none.)


On el cap, mobile.charter.net, port 587, SSL on works fine to send mail. It will not on 10.4.11; including deleteing and reloading, restarting etc.


If anyone can make the outgoing server work in apple mail 2.1.3 OSX 10.4.11 with charter.net I'd like to hear confirmation. Otherwise this seems like a bug in apple's (admittedly old) OS or mail program.

Oct 20, 2015 2:25 PM in response to eightzero

But port 587 is IMAP for Mobile, no idea why they have different ones...


Mobile Email Settings

Use these settings when setting up your Email on a mobile device. (Laptop computers, Smartphone, PDA, Tablet Computer, eReader, etc…)

Note: For the best user experience and to ensure the best connection between your computers and mobile devices Charter recommends that you use these settings for your laptop computers and mobile devices

  • Username: username@charter.net (Make sure you enter @charter.net after your username or you will be unable to login)
  • Password: The password you use to login to your email account
  • SSL: This setting should be on for both SMTP and IMAP
  • Protocol: IMAP
  • Incoming Email Server: mobile.charter.net
  • Port: 993
  • Outgoing Email Server: mobile.charter.net
  • Port: 587


Desktop Email Settings

  • Username: username@charter.net (Make sure you enter @charter.net after your username or you will be unable to login)
  • Password: The password you use to login to your email account
  • Server Type: IMAP
  • Incoming Mail server: IMAP.charter.net
  • Port: 143
  • Outgoing Mail Server: SMTP.charter.net
  • Port: 25
  • Web Mail Address:http://www.charter.net

Oct 22, 2015 8:53 AM in response to eightzero

eightzero wrote:


Yes, and no joy there either.


I did have an online chat with charter support. The rep had no real advice, then promised to "escalate." I don't expect a response.

Howdy " 8 0 " 😉


In my experience with email issues here in ASC threads, i recall that some (if not most) problems have resulted from the provider 'techies' making some change 'behind the curtain' which did not make it into the "Support Knowledge Base" of the support staff.


Mail Client is a 'mail client' - they all MUST work exactly the same regardless of age or version of the software - it is the PROTOCOL that must be followed.


While 'settings' bullet lists may be 'from' Charter's website, they may be "Dated" based on 'behind the curtain' change made = happens all the time, everywhere. I would expect a Support KB to be updated before a webpage.

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I am not a big fan of Chat Support - its only Pro is a 'paper trail' (if you somehow save the History = Con is that it is too 'anonymous' for my taste, they can just 'sign off' without resolution.


I AM an advocate for phone support - if only for the reason that when an "escalation" is required, you can 'wait on HOLD' until you get the higher up. Hold their feet to the fire!


Fan that I am, I cannot recall EVER receiving satisfaction from any 1st responder - thus, I EXPECT that there will be an escalation from the git-go.


I also take "notes":

  1. 1st support specialist name
  2. Trouble Ticket #
  3. Events during the call
  4. ± Timestamps of events
  5. all names & titles of 'escalated' responders


I have found that polite, assertive insistence is generally required to keep them on the phone is necessary. Phone reps are most likely afraid that their inability to 'resolve' will go into their "performance record" - which it may, but as a former manager of a support group, it should NOT.

good luck with your persistence...

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Oct 22, 2015 4:54 PM in response to ChitlinsCC

Thanks, I appreciate your perspective and assistance.


I'm not sure why one version of Apple Mail (10.11.1) would work just fine, but another with the exact same settings (10.4.11) doesn't (and the same is true of 10.6.8 as well, but I'm trying to solve the 10.4 problem first.) The independent variable here is Apple Mail, so it seems logical it is on the Apple Mail side, not the charter server side.

Oct 22, 2015 5:34 PM in response to eightzero

8 0 said:


Thanks, I appreciate your perspective and assistance.


I'm not sure why one version of Apple Mail (10.11.1) would work just fine, but another with the exact same settings (10.4.11) doesn't (and the same is true of 10.6.8 as well, but I'm trying to solve the 10.4 problem first.) The independent variable here is Apple Mail, so it seems logical it is on the Apple Mail side, not the charter server side.

Another variable exists (must be since I doubt a Mac that is running Tiger is also running El Capitan) - so TigerMac IP and ElCapMac IP are also in the mix - both assigned by your ISP > router > Mac(s)


I still think that ISP/email SeniorTechs are gonna need to be spelunkers of this cave.

can't send mail in OSX 10.4

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