This is not a question, this is an insistence. I have files piling up in my trash that I cannot delete! Changing permissions doesn't help because the items in question I already have full permissions on, or I can't change permissions because "I don't have permission to change permission!"
iMac 27" i7 (Oct 09 model)
This is not the right place to insist on something. Secure empty trash option is no longer available in El Capitan. This is user to user forum and you are not addressing to Apple here. You may leave your feedback to Apple: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
If you are so obsessed with Secure empty trash option you may check this article:http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/12/secure-empty-trash-equivalent-mac-os-x/
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
This is not a question, this is an insistence. I have files piling up in my trash that I cannot delete! Changing permissions doesn't help because the items in question I already have full permissions on, or I can't change permissions because "I don't have permission to change permission!"
It cannot be used on Flash Storage not SSDs. You will not see it return. Turn on File Vault if you need to secure personal information as you want.
Pete
Apple doesn't read these forums. They are used by Apple users to help other Apple users. If you don't have a question/query/problem you need us to help you solve, don't just rant for the sake of ranting. Send Apple feedback if you have something to say to them directly.
Is the OP actually asking about 'Secure Empty Trash'? He never mentioned that, but complained that he couldn't empty the Trash because he didn't have permission. There is of course no such thing as 'Force Empty Trash' and never has been, though this can I think be achieved through Terminal. I don't have any experience of El Capitan and any changes it's made so I can't offer direct advice.
Roger Wilmut is right. The OP did not mention force empty trash option. Sorry for misleading post. Probably I should drink another cup of coffee.
Anyway Hugo Stiglitz may force empty the trash via terminal or send feedback to Apple.
As roger noted, I am not asking for 'SECURE empty' I'm asking for "FORCE empty".
Force and Secure worked on my Mac before El Capitan, so their excuses are highly suspect. (besides, not everyone is on an SSD).
Terminal Force Empty does not work - I tried that.
pinkstones... Apple sure as heck DOES read them. After posting about El Capitan email issues I received phone call from Apple asking for more information so they can look into it.
Someone at Apple contacted you based on a post you made on one of these forums? You'll have to excuse me if I find that hard to believe.
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
As roger noted, I am not asking for 'SECURE empty' I'm asking for "FORCE empty".
Force and Secure worked on my Mac before El Capitan, so their excuses are highly suspect. (besides, not everyone is on an SSD).
Terminal Force Empty does not work - I tried that.
pinkstones... Apple sure as heck DOES read them. After posting about El Capitan email issues I received phone call from Apple asking for more information so they can look into it.
Could you describe how you implemented Force Empty Trash on previous systems?
In previous OS's "Secure Empty" used to be "Force Empty" Not sure exactly when it changed.
Point is, I got stuff piling up in my trash that I can't get rid of, and 'moving' them back to their original location doesn't work as it copies the items, leaving the offending file still in the trash and a new copy in the main file structure. This is something that many people are dealing with since upgrading to El Capitan.
"Someone at Apple contacted you based on a post you made on one of these forums? You'll have to excuse me if I find that hard to believe."
And yet it happened... phone calls and email from Devin.
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
As roger noted, I am not asking for 'SECURE empty' I'm asking for "FORCE empty".
Force and Secure worked on my Mac before El Capitan, so their excuses are highly suspect. (besides, not everyone is on an SSD).
Terminal Force Empty does not work - I tried that.
pinkstones... Apple sure as heck DOES read them. After posting about El Capitan email issues I received phone call from Apple asking for more information so they can look into it.
Just as Roger, I would like to know how you did "Force Empty Trash" in previous versions of OS X.
I don't remember ever seeing such command.
The usual way to force the trash to empty requires using the Terminal. You say you tried it.
Did you use this command?
sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*
This is the way to do it, and I don't see why it would fail.
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:
In previous OS's "Secure Empty" used to be "Force Empty"
Not as far back as 10.4.11 it didn't - and I can't see why they would do that since they are not at all the same thing. Force Empty Trash from Terminal forces the Trash to empty when a file is 'stuck' and won't delete. Both that and Empty Trash simply remove the file from the Directory - the file still exists and can (in theory) be recovered. Secure Empty Trash over-writes the deleted file so that (in theory) it can't be recovered. If you've got stuck files you have a error going on, particularly if Terminal won't deal with it, and possibly the place to start would be with a Disk Repair.
Apparently Secure Delete still exists in El Capitan. Just control click any file and the contextual menu has a secure delete option. Still isn't working with the files in question, but just more evidence Apple is yanking our chain about Secure Empty Trash.
and using this method you potentially direct a user to wipe necessary OS components and data from your drive with this command with no chance of recovery.
You could get a Third party app like Trash It! is an AppleScript-based application that force-empties your Trash and/or removes stubborn items. It is free http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/8214/trash-it
Also you can use apps like Cocktail to securely empty the trash.
Check out options here: http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/12/secure-empty-trash-equivalent-mac-os-x/
Hope this helps
Alan
None of that works.
Bring back Force Empty Trash!!!!!
