How to secure empty trash in El Capitan

How to secure empty trash in El Capitan😕

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10.2)

Posted on Oct 31, 2015 5:59 AM

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Oct 31, 2015 1:53 PM in response to keithfromkeighley

Secure empty trash is now an antiquated term with El Capitan. When you empty the trash in El Capitan it is securely emptied. Please refer to


About the security content of OS X El Capitan v10.11 - Apple Support


You can find the section under Finder where it states:


FinderAvailable for: Mac OS X v10.6.8 and laterImpact: The "Secure Empty Trash" feature may not securely delete files placed in the TrashDescription: An issue existed in guaranteeing secure deletion of Trash files on some systems, such as those with flash storage. This issue was addressed by removing the "Secure Empty Trash" option.CVE-IDCVE-2015-5901 : Apple

Nov 16, 2015 5:44 AM in response to keithfromkeighley

keithfromkeighley wrote:


Hi,thank you for your input,I do not use an SSD and have found a file shredder that does the job well.

Be aware that due to the nature of hard disk sector replacement, file system optimizations, application file handling, your data could exist on the disk after you perform your shredder operations.


hard disks can decide to replace a sector that is starting to report too many read errors. Someone with sufficient skill can recover data from these replaced sectors. If your data is in those sectors it can be recovered.


The file system may decide to defragment your file, which will leave the original storage unshredded.


A Fusion drive will first write a file to the SSD, then later move the file to the hard disk. The original storage on the SSD will be unshredded.


An application that is processing your data may use cache files, and it is very common for an app to write the modified file data to a new file, then rename the new file to the original name. The rename operation will release the original file contents unshredded. In fact OS X has a file system call that makes this approach trivial for applications, so it is frequently used.


If you have sensitive data on your system, you should be using System Preferences -> Security -> FileVault (make sure you do not loose the encryption key). Then deleted files are just a bunch of random bits, as are any intermediate copies and remapped sectors.

Nov 16, 2015 8:54 AM in response to keithfromkeighley

keithfromkeighley wrote:


Hi Bob,so it looks like I wasted my time with the shredder jobby?,I do and have done for some time used "File Vault". Thank you for the assistance,Apple ought to consider people as we are not all geniuses grrr. Thank you now for some app deleting.

They did. They gave you FileVault. They remove the wrongly named "Secure Erase" because it was never secure. Mostly because it is after the fact.


Since the operating system and every application you run does not know that you eventually want to securely erase this file, so it is mishandled right up until you finally say I was to it to be securely erased. Oops! Too late, we have already mishandled your data. Sorry.


Also SSDs just do not work they way you think they work. Every write is to a different sector, and the sector with your data is just moved into a pool of sectors to eventually get reused. A Secure Erase (shredder) operation on an SSD just wears out the SSD faster, without touching any of the original data.


And keeping in mind that Apple (and the rest of the computer industry) are moving towards using more and more SSD drives, and fewer rotating hard disks.


It is much better now, that Apple is not giving you false hope, and encouraging you to encrypt your data if you want security for your sensitive data.

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