Mouse support for iPad pro

Which will not work with Apple apps. See this from their FAQ list: Apple does not provide native mouse support for iOS. The Citrix X1 Mouse communicates directly with Citrix Receiver as opposed to communicating with iOS. Citrix X1 Mouse and Citrix Receiver utilize Apple’s publically supported APIs to establish the Bluetooth communication (BLE) between the X1 Mouse and Citrix Receiver. The mouse functionality is only available on XenApp and XenDesktop hosted apps and desktops and Citrix ShareConnect, ShareConnect and GoToMyPC mobile apps, the mouse will not function for other iOS apps. The mouse can also be used on a non-iOS device, in which case the X1 Mouse behaves just like a standard Bluetooth 4.0 mouse.

How do you replicate a pinch to zoom, or a 4 finger swipe, or 2 finger scroll etc... with a mouse?

....Can you do that with a pencil?

Anyway (to mimic magic mouse on MacOS), zoom = double tap, scroll = scroll wheel on mouse, 2 finger swipe = switch between desktop/full screen app.

If you really need a mouse, then why is it so offensive when someone suggests you buy something that already has mouse support instead of expecting Apple to modify the entire design theory behind the touch based iPad to include a mouse?

I personally am not offended, its a simple question and you answered it directly. Thou admittedly you could have added abit more info on it.

For example:

iPad (iOS) can have limited mouse support via SwiftPoint GT mouse / Citrix X mouse and when using some remote desktop apps such as jump desktop or splashtop.

So it create awareness of such devices. And maybe, JUST maybe when enough people are aware of it and its uses, Apple and or other App developers might take notice of it.

At the end of the day Apple is a company, and if developing mouse support does not produce significant revenue, its not something they'll want to do.

I totally agree. Thats why i will never ever say NEVER for Apple like some others on this discussion. There are several case Apple changes their mindsets.

For example, the increase in screen size of iPhones, or the introduction of Pencil (stylus) for iPad Pros. And the most recent, File App for iOS11.

All are taboo since the beginning.. But in recent years, as Apple push iPad Pro harder as a desktop replacement and the iPhone as a wider audience appeal, we can see such changes.

Qida wrote:

How do you replicate a pinch to zoom, or a 4 finger swipe, or 2 finger scroll etc... with a mouse?

....Can you do that with a pencil?

Yes. You can make those gestures while still holding a pencil in your hand, and not having to move your hand from a device off to the side of the desk to the screen and then back again.

Anyway (to mimic magic mouse on MacOS), zoom = double tap, scroll = scroll wheel on mouse, 2 finger swipe = switch between desktop/full screen app.

He was asking how to replicate iOS gestures on a mouse. Not replicate a Magic mouse on a MacOS trackpad.

Thou admittedly you could have added abit more info on it.

For example:

iPad (iOS) can have limited mouse support via SwiftPoint GT mouse / Citrix X mouse and when using some remote desktop apps such as jump desktop or splashtop.

So it create awareness of such devices.

iOS or iPad has NO support for ANY mouse. Some third party, remote desktop apps allow that bluetooth connection to pass through their software to the connected computer. That is not iOS support. Please do not give the impression that iOS supports any mouse in it's current state. If you absolutely require a mouse (I have yet to see or hear anyone give any good reason why besides "because I want it") then 1) let apple know at Feedback - iPad - Apple 2) Buy a device that does what you want. If you need to tow a 20' boat, don't by a Prius. As a loyal Apple fan you had to know this was not supported.

The Apple Pencil has very good tracking ability and I use it for editing podcasts and interviews and multi-cam video regularly on the iPad. In some situations I like it better than editing on the MBP.

puniad wrote:

I also doubt very much Apple cannot find a way to add pointer capabilities seamlessly without interefering with touch, which seems to be a concern for the naysayers.

This has become exhausting. This quote is like saying I want to get out of my car and manually open my garage in order to avoid the complexity of using the remote. No one seems to care to read anything that anyone else has said, and continually comments that they want to use a mouse too, with no reasoning behind it.

iOS does not support a mouse. PERIOD. If you would like this feature, PLEASE let Apple know at Feedback - iPad - Apple. That is the ONLY way to get your OPINION across to Apple. I am not going to change your minds, and none of you will change mine, so please stop this constant "me too" on a 2 year old thread where everyone has given the same exact answers over and over again. Geesh. Just let Apple know what you want and why.

This thread was and is not about whether, in some unknown future, iOS may or may not have mouse support.

It is about the fact that iOS does not have mouse support now. It has never had mouse support previously. If you need mouse support now, there is no point in buying an iOS device.

Post feedback to Apple at Product Feedback - Apple if you would like a feature in the future. But posting here asking for, demanding, or complaining about the lack of something that does not exist is fruitless.

There is.. its called swiftpoint gt mouse. And it works with Jumpdesktop app. Its working even as of iOS11.

The company is still developing version 2 of their fluid desktop client for iOS and MacOS.. so you can mimic controls for Windows n Mac properly.

If you buy jumpdesktop, they offer 60$ off the mouse. There you go.. official support of mouse on a limited scale on iOS.

If bugging Apple is too much, and community support is bad, you can try bugging them, and push more developers to use swiftpoint mouse. Since dev can implement swiftpoint API.

€Jeremiah2911€ wrote:

with all due respect, I have a MBP, 2 iPad Pro's, and an iPhone 7 plus and would STILL like to see it compatible with my Apple mouse. As a person who annotates music often it would be a dream come true to be able to use the mouse. Many people can not afford to lay out a large amount of cash for a MBP. Apple has always been friendly to the musician I thought for sure the iPad Pro would be able to use a mouse. Also, the touch sensor on the Apple pencil, although awesome, is not as precise as when I use editing software on my MBP that annotates the iPad Pro app....I am an Apple guy through and through but this is the exact thing that leaves me speechless when talking to my Surface friends as they use the mouse with ease. And again, said with the upmost respect, "you should be looking for a MacBook" and "unlikely" are typical responses that quite quite honestly are condescending, negative, and un-aware and/or not caring of the market....the only reason I am replying at all is because your post is marked "Apple Recommended" I am speaking more to Apple...give us a choice..and as long as I am ranting lol let me add the lack of a speaker port on the iPhone 7 is a disaster for the musician with apps that depend on a speaker input...yes I know..spend more money on an adapter, charger/mic input. Apple is becoming unfriendly to the musician. I will remain loyal, still the best apps and software for me but...thought Apple would have thought of us...

I guess I'll respond.

How is it condescending to suggest buying a device that actually fits your needs?

As to unlikely? It's been 7 years since the first iPad, and Apple has released 13 different iPads in that time. None with mouse support. From here it looks pretty unlikely they'd include mouse support if they have not done so already.

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just seeing the facts laid out before me.

If you really need a mouse, then why is it so offensive when someone suggests you buy something that already has mouse support instead of expecting Apple to modify the entire design theory behind the touch based iPad to include a mouse? It's not like simply letting the iPad detect a mouse is magically going to add a mouse cursor to control or have all the touch and finger based gestures, that have been built into iOS and let you navigate it, suddenly be available with a mouse.

Incorporating a mouse into the iOS would redefine the way you interact with it at its most basic.

How do you replicate a pinch to zoom, or a 4 finger swipe, or 2 finger scroll etc... with a mouse?

It's not a simple endeavor to include. It would take a massive amount of work to get it to be correctly functional, and would really only attract a very minor percentage of the non-ipad using population. At the end of the day Apple is a company, and if developing mouse support does not produce significant revenue, its not something they'll want to do.

As to the iPhone's lack of headphone jack, Apple does include an adapter with the iPhone 7. So no you do not have to go out and buy anything.

merry3 wrote:

Dear God, this thread has gotten out of hand. Seriously. Bottom line is there are a lot of features on the iPad that I love and use. There are more features that I don't use at all. Arguing that "their will never be mouse support on the iPad because there never had been before" is plain shortsighted at best. No tech company that has been around for decades would have survived if it didn't add features people wanted. There are a few of us that think mouse support would be fantastic. Those of you who don't think so, don't have to use it. Period. It's no different than choosing to use bluetooth, wifi, cell, a keyboard, gestures, split-screen, iCloud, any of the included apple apps or any apps from the store, or not.

Either contribute positively to the discussion or go find someplace else to be, you. Where are the forum moderators?

And again missing the point entirely.

Nobody is saying the iPad should not have mouse support, or that it will never have mouse support (though that is a possibility), or that Apple is incapable of adding mouse support.

All anybody is saying is, there is currently no mouse support, there has not been for 7 years and 13 models of iPad, and based on everything Apple has said and what we have seen, they are very unlikely to add mouse support.

If they add mouse support in the future, then great. People that want it can use it.

What most of us are saying is that, its not likely to happen. Not that we don't want it to happen, not that its impossible for it to happen, but that given all we know and all Apple has said, its very unlikely to happen.

You can give feedback to Apple and wait and see, but coming here to complain, and demand, and argue will not make Apple add mouse support.

merry3 wrote:

I've seen mouse support on older iPads. So, it can be done. So, "fact" is a little overkill.

As has been explained many many times over in this thread already, Mouse support on iPads, all iPads can be had if you Jailbreak the iPad, or use certain Apps, (remote desktop and admin apps). That is not nor has it ever been denied.

But the actual Fact remains, there is no native , system wide, Apple implemented mouse support on an iPad.

merry3 wrote:

I've seen mouse support on older iPads. So, it can be done. So, "fact" is a little overkill.

Not on any default iOS device you have not. No iOS device has natively ever supported a mouse. Hacked devices maybe, but not stock iOS devices. So yes, it is very much a fact - iOS does not and never has supported the use of a mouse.

Qida wrote:

How do you replicate a pinch to zoom, or a 4 finger swipe, or 2 finger scroll etc... with a mouse?

....Can you do that with a pencil?

No, but the Pencil is not designed nor intended to replace the touch interface. Its designed to enhance it.

Anything you can do with a the Apple Pencil, you can already do it with your finger. The Pencil just lets you do it better, and more naturally. The Pencil is not changing the way the interface works, its enhancing it for certain specific tasks.

Qida wrote:

Anyway (to mimic magic mouse on MacOS), zoom = double tap, scroll = scroll wheel on mouse, 2 finger swipe = switch between desktop/full screen app.

And if you don't have a trackpad? But just a regular 2 button mouse? Or are you suggesting they limit mouse support to only the trackpad? No other mouse can work? When developing interfaces there much more to consider than just the immediate or directly apparent uses.

Qida wrote:

And the most recent, File App for iOS11.

All are taboo since the beginning.. But in recent years, as Apple push iPad Pro harder as a desktop replacement and the iPhone as a wider audience appeal, we can see such changes.

File Management has never been taboo. It's just been handled differently to offer more security for the OS.

The File App for iOS 11 does not change this at all. It merely list files from Apps that support it so you can see them in a central location. The way Files are handled is still exactly the same as it has always been. Files reside within Apps. There is no core function modification to the way it operates.

Adding a mouse for general system use, requires again re-designing the interface in its entirety, for what? A few hundred people that may want to use a mouse for something, that don't already have an iOS device. Again, not really a good enough revenue stream to use resources on.

If eventually enough people demand mouse support maybe, but so far in 7 years and 13 iPads, it seems like the niche group of people that want mouse support is not really growing to any significant extent. With some Apps that support a mouse for very specific uses like the ones you listed for remote desktop operations, that seems to cover the niche fairly well.

I don't see many people gravitating to other tablets that do offer mouse support to any significant extent. It's not like suddenly the Windows Surface is outselling the iPad because it has mouse support is it?

As for the larger screen iPhones, Apple indeed realized a significant enough portion of buyers wanted smaller iPhones and released the iPhone SE to cover that market. I'm fairly certain they've analyzed the market, and the numbers are just not there to warrant the time, money and effort required to redesign the interface to have mouse support.

The iPad Pro or any particular iOS device model has nothing at all to do with this. iOS itself does not support a mouse, thus no iOS device supports a mouse.

It's o.k. You broke no rules. I appreciate the apology, and accept it.

You can provide Apple feedback at http://apple.com/feedback

I really suggest you read what we've said, and try to understand why there currently is no mouse. Beyond whether you would like one. Apple has been know to take suggestions into consideration. But the mouse on the iPad has been given and yet Apple has not added support for it yet. I have to think there's a reason for it. If enough people suggest the option Apple may consider it. But the real issue is how many people actually would immediately drop any other tablet they may have and go buy an iPad simply because it had mouse support.

I don't believe there are that many out there that would. If you have an actual statistic, I'm sure Apple would want to see it.

merry3 wrote:

Requires a jailbreak. But nonetheless, it CAN be done.

I think you mean "Required", since there is no jailbreak for iOS 10.x and with 11 possibly being released within a week, it's highly unlikely there will be one for 11. Especially since the entire community that supported this have pretty much stopped.

citrix Has release a Mouse called X1 for iPad. It is around $100

€Jeremiah2911€ wrote:

I am speaking more to Apple...give us a choice..

As has been explained repeatedly, the only people from Apple looking at these threads are the Hosts. Use the feedback link if you want Apple to know how you feel. But, as Apple has never been known for giving lots of choice, don't hold your breath.

The advice to buy something that does what you need rather than to buy an iPad and be unhappy that it doesn't, is not condescending, negative or un-aware. It's sensible. If you need a mouse, don't buy an iPad. You'll just make yourself crazy.

In my experience, the Apple pencil is far more accurate and direct than any mouse. Perhaps if you invested some time in learning to use it (undoing those mousing habits takes time), you'd find yourself happier with your purchase.