How to create green Apple Loops (Sials) ?

Does anybody know, how the green Loops have been created, or, how to change blue loops into green ?

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Posted on Nov 14, 2006 12:49 AM

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Posted on Jan 30, 2007 3:24 AM

Hm. Either you are thinking too complicated or I don't get what you want to do. 🙂

You can easily create loops within GB by taking a little region of 1 or 2 or more bars and selecting "Add to Loop Library" from the menu. A midi region will turn into a green loop, an audio region into a blue loop. If you check the appropriate boxes and determine the loop's key, both will adjust to the tempo and key if you use them in a new song.

Why is it important to you what kind of loop they are?
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Jan 30, 2007 3:24 AM in response to researchfirst

Hm. Either you are thinking too complicated or I don't get what you want to do. 🙂

You can easily create loops within GB by taking a little region of 1 or 2 or more bars and selecting "Add to Loop Library" from the menu. A midi region will turn into a green loop, an audio region into a blue loop. If you check the appropriate boxes and determine the loop's key, both will adjust to the tempo and key if you use them in a new song.

Why is it important to you what kind of loop they are?

Jan 30, 2007 3:52 AM in response to researchfirst

As has already been said, you can't convert the audio to MIDI. What you need to do is to transcribe the recorded melody, having slowed it down. The easiest way is to find a friend who has a good enough ear to be able to write down a tune from hearing it (break the recording into small sections).

There is a piece of shareware called 'Transcribe!':
( http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/overview.html) which analyzes the audio spectrum to estimate notes.
User uploaded file

I've not used it, so I've no idea how well it works, but it is available on 30 days free trial.

Feb 2, 2007 12:42 AM in response to researchfirst

The green loops are definitely recorded via Midi. For drum loops, e.g, you might use a midi drumset to record, but it's still midi. The same with piano - it wouldn't make any sense to record them on an acoustic piano and then use some arcane software to extract midi data.

To record loops as audio only makes sense when you want to use the sound you are recording - all the little extras that can't be captured in midi. They would get lost if you would turn that into a midi file, technical issues aside.

Feb 1, 2007 12:33 PM in response to researchfirst

hi
i'm back a little wiser?

the answer of my dealer is: No you can't
it is not possible (yet) to convert a RIAL to a SIAL.

this migth be disappionting but the only ones that can give us a positive answer are the guys of Apple the developers of GarageBand and Logic Pro. they know the trick. otherwise we did not have the RIALs (the blue loops) and the SIALs (the green loops) on our hands.

i suppose that we all ask for explaination to those guys.

we have the possibillity to do that into your accounts here at the forum. just hit the "My Question" button and off we go.

let's do that. perhaps we will get the answer?

Jan 30, 2007 2:29 AM in response to manfredo132000

it seems to me, that this issue is more complex then only turning on to a midi thing.

first i downloaded the Apple Loops Utility SDK from the DEV site, installed and edited the source AIFF file. a screenshot can be found here: http://www.notitieblogje.nl/images/Apple-Loops-blackbird.jpg
those small blue buttons makes the 'slices' possible to move even pixle by pixel. you can pick the exact position. that's OK!

when the AIF soundfile was finished i saved it as a Apple Loop in the understanding that it should become a SIAL (Software Instrument Apple Loop).
once imported into Garageband 3 it seems to be a RIAL (the blue one) not a SIAL (the green one), a ordenairy sound sample (loop).

is there anyone who can tell how to make it a SIAL or a midi instrument?

you can make an artist very happy

Jan 30, 2007 3:32 AM in response to Christoph Drösser

this singing blackbird i recorded has the melody i like to use for other instruments.
in a slower tempo, but the same melody.
that's why i like to have a green loop.
it shows the 'notes'.
then i can transpose the notes to the other intrument, let's say the trompet.
after transposing i can change all kinds of aspects of the sound. but that comes later.

Jan 31, 2007 5:35 AM in response to Christoph Drösser

after a search i've found things out, really i did.

the question of manfredo132000 can be answered with a ....

let me tell what i found out first:

Transcribe promises to do the job. it does it for a part. the first part to be exactly. T reads a audio file en makes nice curves. but don't ask it to make it a SIAL. it can't.

then there is Melodyne the ultimate plugin for also GB and other apps. those guys promiss you the haven on earth if you like to be a techie. if you like to make music, as i do, it is a little too much.

after some googling around one site told me that the job can be done in Logic Pro. well oh well our favorite brand has the sollution (perhaps).

this morning i had to pickup a wireless keyboard at my Apple Dealer. we talked a little about LP and a arrangment has te made with the LP specialist. if this is really going to work we can finally answer the question. untill then the answer will be: may be.

the story continues

Feb 1, 2007 11:19 PM in response to Christoph Drösser

they know the trick. otherwise we did not have the

RIALs (the blue loops) and the SIALs (the green
loops) on our hands.

What makes you think that??


there ARE green and blue loops, right?
the had to be made, once.

when you record a sound it is in the first place analog
even if you use a fully digital recorder.
the 'writing' proces can be digital
or converted to digital as my recorder does.
with that recorded sound we can make a RAIL (the blue one) with the SDK.

now the SIAL (the green on). this one has to be recorded as well. with a MIDI configuration? a keyboard or a software application? i don't know.

my idea is: if you can record an analog sound to a digital file why can't you convert a digital recorded sound to a MIDI file or a SIAL (a software instrument in apples own format).

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