Does the Late 2009 iMac i7 have dual channel SATA II?

I know there is a 3Gb/s SATA2 connection to the internal HD and a separate 3G SATA connection to the optical drive. But are those two SATA connections on separate channels?


To clarify, I am wondering if I can get greater than 3G speeds in a late 2009 iMac by putting an SSD in the HDD slot and another SSD in the optical drive slot. If there are 2 channels, then I would have the theoretical capability of a 6G SSD if I put the two in a RAID configuration.


Thanks.

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10), Late 2009, 2.8GHz i7, 16GB RAM

Posted on Nov 13, 2015 11:00 PM

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Dec 12, 2015 7:56 AM in response to JDW1

Do you want to buy the thermal temp and the optical bay drive adaptor and the HDD adaptor for the ssd you want to put on your iMac, I am selling it because my iMac graphics card just died and I am force to buy a new Mac, apple cannot fix my iMac because the graphics card is outdated and not in stock, so I will sell it real cheap I am just keeping the ssd because I might use with the Mac I am going to get in the future.

Dec 13, 2015 4:39 PM in response to Switch900

I certainly wish you would've asked me that before I placed my bracket and thermal sensor order with OWC. It's due to be delivered any day now.


The other problem is, "the powers that be" who maintain this forum don't like revelations about personal or contact info. And sadly, there's no way for any forum member to "PM" another forum member either, like you can in regular forums. So it seems that the only way to privately contact someone is to somehow reveal some level of personal info and then hope the recipient reads it before it gets zapped from this forum. Again, it's terrible unfortunate the way this forum is setup. We Apple users are a "community." And while I understand the rules that are in place to protect us, we lack those rules elsewhere and are not ravaged by packs of wild dogs.


Sorry.

Dec 13, 2015 11:16 PM in response to JDW1

I Know it's sad about the forums anyway I have, had the brackets and the HDD adaptor or both ssd but right after this investment my freaking graphics card died out and apple cannot do anything about it because there is no stock for this graphics card and it's a 6 year old computer which they won't touch certain components if it's that old one of them is the graphics card. So I am stuck in buying another Mac computer which this time I am done with all this one in all computer setup so I am going to get a Mac Pro, as expensive it is in the long run it is more upgradable than any iMac they push out in the market. To recover some of the investment of my upgrade on my iMac I am selling the ram and the ssd to a friend of mine and this old iMac is going to the recycle apple program. It's nuts I have to get a loan to buy a new computer, no more iMacs they have issues with years of use when you push the hardware for video and audio task and daily task also they heat up and cool down so much that with the years they tend to fail at one point.

Dec 13, 2015 11:40 PM in response to Switch900

I still prefer iMacs because, being a family man with two children, I cannot afford a Mac Pro, nor would my wife love me anymore if I took out a loan for one. 😉


My iMac experience is mixed.


My early 2009 iMac9,1 (DuoCore) at the office never failed. It never got hot either. It was always quiet. But through years of OS X updates, it became almost too slow to use. The RAM was capped at 8GB too. The only down side to the machine is that when another person in our office learned of my getting a new office iMac17,1, they wanted it upgraded with a Samsung EVO 850 SSD, and as I reported, the speed is not SATA II. You only get 150MB/s. It might be the bracket used, or it might be the silly Nvidia chipset. I don't have time to reopen the machine to find out.


My late 2009 iMac11,1 (QuadCore) at home failed right about the time AppleCare expired. It was the video card. I wrote Tim Cook and he kindly got an Apple executive to contact me, and ultimately it was arranged that a special case could be made for me, and they swapped out the video card for free. However, it took them two tries. The first swap had the same problem. The second swap worked and I've been using that iMac since. Had I not had AppleCare, it would have cost a huge amount to repair it. And like you said, now in late 2015, some of those old parts aren't available even if you want to pay to repair it.


Of course, Apple would prefer I ditch this old iMac and buy a new one. But the cost of an SSD upgrade is much lower than the cost of a new iMac. And my family finances won't permit a new iMac this year or next, hence the SSD purchase. I only bought a single SSD because I wanted to play it safe AND have the option to use File Vault (which you can't use if you have an internal RAID).


So as much as I'd love to have a Mac Pro, it just is impossible when you consider the cost. And besides, it's old 2013 tech too. You'd best wait for a Mac Pro refresh. It might take a few months, but I know it's coming.

Dec 16, 2015 10:10 AM in response to JDW1

yeah I know what you mean I was counting with the investment I did with my iMac with the ssd and raid 0 configuration but I guess the graphics card died out on me which is really messed up I cannot afford to get another iMac or Mac Pro but I will eventually do so in the future if I can all I know all my projects are put into a halt because of this graphics card failure. I cannot afford to go back to Windows because I have invested in licenses in Mac version software which I will lose if I switch back to windows.

Dec 18, 2015 7:54 PM in response to Switch900

Well, my OWC thermal sensor & NewerTech AdaptaDrive 2.5" to 3.5" mounting bracket arrived, and I installed my Samsung EVO 850 1TB SSD today. The hardest part was putting the glass back on while keeping dust particles off the glass. Even a tiny spec bugs me, so I spent a lot of time on that. Man, I need a clean room for that job! But finally I got it on and boy does it boot fast. Apps fly. Here are my speed test and machine specs screen shots (private data blacked out):


Black Magic Speed Test (3G speeds):

http://cl.ly/3P1T2a0k3844


System Profiler Info, showing SSD specs with TRIM enabled:

http://cl.ly/042k1m0D1m39

I enabled TRIM via the Terminal using: sudo trimforce enable . I read a lot of scaremongering (by misinformed folks) saying that you shouldn't enable it for the EVO 850, but I also read that OS X does not use TRIM in a way that would cause problems. Read through this entire thread for details. I've used TRIM at the office with 2 EVO 850 SSDs without problems too, so I confidently enabled it on my home machine too.

System Profile Info, showing details about my iMac 11,1, OS, RAM, etc. (and yes, I've been using 1333MHz RAM on this iMac for years with no problems):

http://cl.ly/2h1n1S2T0w00

Of course, I could get faster speeds by adding a second 1TB SSD in the optical drive bay, but I would lose FileVault (not compatible with RAID), and I just didn't want to spend that much money on this iMac. 3G speeds will suffice for my home machine, until I decide to replace it with a 5K iMac (perhaps a couple years hence, finances allowing).

All said, this upgrade (except for stupid dust behind the glass) went smoothly. I got the SSD for a discount on Amazon's Lightning sale too, which really made my day. Best wishes to all who pursue the same path I did.

Dec 19, 2015 12:56 AM in response to JDW1

SO glad you got it to work well I am stuck with 2 ssd and an iMac with graphics card problem and I am glad you trusted my word for what I said that the iMac has dual SATA 2 ports and if you raid it it will give double the amount. I could tell you this if you back up constantly with the HDD you took out from the iMac which you replace with the ssd believe me you won't have a problem I loved the amazing speed it had was editing 4K content at lighting speed but the freaking graphics card broke, if not this would of been my machine to last me another 6 years more tops. But that is it for me with the all in one mac, next one up Mac Pro I am done with the iMac they are not meant for heavy CPU and GPU intensive work because they heat up just watching videos or even browsing the temp inside for these machine are not capable of holding down many years and I want a machine where I invest a lot of money to last me many years not just 6 years like my iMac did and plus its not so upgradable as the Mac Pro

Dec 19, 2015 2:34 AM in response to Switch900

With the iMac, it depends on what year and what tech you buy. We bought a new late 2015 SkyLake 5K iMac at the office. It's fan runs at 1200rpm most of the time. It's very quiet and does not get hot. When using some big name apps for photo and video editing, the fans will ramp up, but it does not sound like a wind tunnel, and even then the back side is never "too hot" to the touch. In contrast this old 2009 iMac 11,1 gets very hot, especially in the back upper left corner. But now that I've swapped out a big heat source (the HDD) and replaced it with an SSD, the fans don't ramp up much and it runs cooler. No, it's not as cool as the Skylake 5K iMac, but it's better. The SkyLake iMac at our office, BTW, has 1TB of Apple flash inside. So there is no spinning HDD to heat things up. We ought, therefore, to not compare Apple's latest iMac with that of the past. Even the 5k iMac (Haswell) from 1 year ago, was claimed to have been a beast when it came to heat and fan noise. But my experience with the Skylake 5K iMac at the office has been nothing but good. And no doubt as future chip generations come out, if Apple can learn from it's past cooling mistakes as it has with the Skylake 5k iMac, future iMacs should be just as good or better. So don't write off the iMac too quickly.

Dec 19, 2015 5:01 AM in response to JDW1

I just think 2 plus gran for a all in one computer it should have parts for many years plus it should not be a hassle, I am a bit upset that it broke down and apple won't fix it and its to expensive to graphics card that is 5 years old used and ship it to Spain, in Spain there is no parts for this computer it's like buying a car and when it breaks down there is no service parts. I will hold on all computer and make my numbers to get another one but definitely I won't get an iMac don't want to have a machine that it's parts will be obsolete, also the new iMac 5k have the dedicated graphics is solder to the logic board

Dec 22, 2015 4:40 PM in response to Switch900

Apple made it official within the past few days...


Vintage and obsolete products - Apple Support


Which means that the late 2009 iMac (which you and I own) became "obsolete" in 6 years. Eight to ten years would be nicer, but Apple moves on a different timeline. I understand their thinking, of course. I simply don't have the pocket money to replace $2k+ computers as often as so many people on the internet obviously do. And now with all of us thinking exclusively about SSDs (and for good reason), to get a reasonably sized Apple branded SSD in a new iMac (namely, 1TB), you will no longer be paying $2000 for the iMac. That price is from the "good old days" that are now gone. Now, for even the base CPU and RAM, adding 1TB of flash (SSD) will cost you $2900. And that's if you're blessed to live in the USA. I live in Japan. Thanks to the Japanese government wanting to tackle what they claimed to have been "deflation," the Yen is now 25% weaker against the Dollar, which means people like me must take that US Dollar price and then tack on 25% for the weakness of the Yen (ever-rising sales tax not included). Other countries have similar issues with their currencies against the Dollar. So buying a new iMac that has "modern" and "reasonable" specifications is no small decision, especially when one considers that expensive machine will be officially "obsolete" in 6 years.


That doesn't mean I am against iMacs. Not at all. Indeed, they are still the best value of any computer, if you are seeking a powerful, modern, OS X machine. I am not into video editing for my job, for example, but as a father who shoots lots of family videos, I need a fast machine to edit those videos. iMacs with SSDs allow one to do that quite well.


What all this means is that we must (a) have a good paying job, and (b) save every penny we lay our hands on. This is harder to do if you are married and have kids, and decide to put your kids in a private school overseas so they have an American (or English) education. And since Apple doesn't offer educational discounts for anyone other than college students (at least, Apple Japan doesn't), you the parent pay the full brunt of the cost. Again, I don't mention these truths to knock Apple in any way. They are merely the facts we buyers and Apple fans must mull prior to purchase.


For now, I upgrade, which is the subject and theme of this thread. In my mind, my late 2009 iMac is not yet obsolete. I thank God my machine was covered by Tim Cook and that the video card was replaced free of charge before they ran dry of parts. I feel for you, Switch900. I really do. Maybe search EBAY for a replacement video card? It would be cheaper than buying a new machine. I certainly don't want to see you leave the Mac fold and depart to the Dark Side of Windows.


Best wishes, and Merry Christmas.

Dec 22, 2015 5:52 PM in response to JDW1

thank you jdw1 yes I have looked on eBay and most are expensive and my card is obsolete there is many of the cards that are the 5670 amd but they are all sellers that are located on the USA and it will be just as expensive for me to get it because of importation tax and plus spend 300 plus euros for a card that is either used from other iMac and not from the same year my amd card is very rare there is no one selling it only the 2010 model one which I doubt will fit on my iMac and if i do buy it I will have to shell out 400 euros for it when I think it's ridiculous just to fix an iMac that is 6 years old

Dec 23, 2015 1:39 AM in response to Switch900

I don't know if Apple intentionally designs in a finite life. More likely it is their fetish about making things thinner with virtually no fan noise. A smaller enclosure with a slow running fan means more heat, and heat kills electronics fast. The Macs of old had more room for air to flow. They were built like tanks. Macs today are faster and look much better, but they have shorter life spans. On some level, Apple likes that because they think they can sell more. But as I posted earlier, many of us are not made of money. Money doesn't grow on trees either. So it's difficult for us to buy new Macs often. I'd love to, but I just can't afford it.


With that said, there's no way I am going to Windows. I've been a Mac user since I was 13 in 1984, when my Dad brought home a Mac 128k. I'll always be a Mac fan, doing what it takes to keep the equipment I have alive and functional for as long as possible. Speaking of which, I'd put an SSD in my SE/30 if it was easier. But getting a SCSI drive setup is much more complicated than SATA.

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