Alexmania

Q: mail doesn't receive every message

Ever since upgrading to El Capitan, not all incoming mail is displayed in the message viewer. I have different mail clients and they all 'receive' all the messages properly. Restarting the apple mail client will sometimes display all the received messages and sometimes not. I've been on the 'taken care' of by two separate senior advisors and my case has been in engineering for a month. I created a new user on my mac and when I log into that profile, mail works properly so there is clearly a problem with my profile.

 

Apple's engineering has taken all this information and repeatedly asked for screen shots and activity logs, which I've given them. The support experience has been Microsoftian to say the least. Apple, what happened to you?

 

Does anyone else have this problem, either with their mail or with Apple's terrible fall from grace?


 

MacBook Pro, iOS 9.1

Posted on Nov 16, 2015 3:02 PM

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  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 16, 2015 6:04 PM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:04 PM in response to Alexmania

    What kind of mail account is this—IMAP, POP, Exchange? Is more than one account affected?

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 16, 2015 6:17 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:17 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    These are IMAP accounts. It seems to be a corruption in my profile as both of my IMAP, gmail (which is also IMAP), and iCloud accounts are affected. In the profile I just created, all the accounts work properly. This has all be conveyed to apple's senior advisors and engineering.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 16, 2015 6:26 PM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:26 PM in response to Alexmania

    What have you done to try to solve the problem?

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 16, 2015 6:37 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:37 PM in response to Linc Davis

    We've synchronized accounts, deleted all the accounts and recreated them, created new envelopes, etc. What the last senior advisor told me was that there are hidden system files somewhere specific to mail that are not deleted when you delete all the accounts so he needed to run some tools that only engineering has to wipe out these hidden files. These secret tools turned out not to be forthcoming. This has been going on with Apple's senior support staffers for 5 weeks now. It's actually pretty incomprehensible how incompetent it's been.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 16, 2015 6:44 PM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:44 PM in response to Alexmania

    1. This procedure is a diagnostic test. It changes nothing, for better or worse, and therefore will not, in itself, solve the problem. But with the aid of the test results, the solution may take a few minutes, instead of hours or days.

    The test works on OS X 10.7 ("Lion") and later. I don't recommend running it on older versions of OS X. It will do no harm, but it won't do much good either.

    Don't be put off by the complexity of these instructions. The process is much less complicated than the description. You do harder tasks with the computer all the time.

    2. If you don't already have a current backup, back up all data before doing anything else. The backup is necessary on general principle, not because of anything in the test procedure. Backup is always a must, and when you're having any kind of trouble with the computer, you may be at higher than usual risk of losing data, whether you follow these instructions or not.

    There are ways to back up a computer that isn't fully functional. Ask if you need guidance.

    3. Below are instructions to run a UNIX shell script, a type of program. As I wrote above, it changes nothing. It doesn't send or receive any data on the network. All it does is to generate a human-readable report on the state of the computer. That report goes nowhere unless you choose to share it. If you prefer, you can act on it yourself without disclosing the contents to me or anyone else.

    You should be wondering whether you can believe me, and whether it's safe to run a program at the behest of a stranger. In general, no, it's not safe and I don't encourage it.

    In this case, however, there are ways for you to decide whether the program is safe without having to trust me. First, you can read it. Unlike an application that you download and click to run, it's transparent, so anyone with the requisite skill can verify what it does.

    You may not be able to understand the script yourself. But variations of it have been posted on this website thousands of times over a period of years. The site is hosted by Apple, which does not allow it to be used to distribute harmful software. Any one of the millions of registered users could have read the script and raised the alarm if it was harmful. Then I would not be here now and you would not be reading this message. See, for example, this discussion.

    Another indication that the test is safe can be found in this thread, and this one, for example, where the comment in which I suggested it was recommended by one of the Apple Community Specialists, as explained here.

    Nevertheless, if you can't satisfy yourself that these instructions are safe, don't follow them. Ask for other options.

    4. Here's a general summary of what you need to do, if you choose to proceed:

    ☞ Copy a particular line of text to the Clipboard.

    ☞ Paste into the window of another application.

    ☞ Wait for the test to run. It usually takes a few minutes.

    ☞ Paste the results, which will have been copied automatically, back into a reply on this page.

    These are not specific instructions; just an overview. The details are in parts 7 and 8 of this comment. The sequence is: copy, paste, wait, paste again. You don't need to copy a second time.

    5. Try to test under conditions that reproduce the problem, as far as possible. For example, if the computer is intermittently slow, run the test during a slowdown.

    You may have started up in safe mode. If the system is now in safe mode and works well enough in normal mode to run the test, restart as usual before running it. If you can only test in safe mode, do that.

    6. If you have more than one user, and only one user is affected by the problem,, and the affected user is not an administrator, then please run the test twice: once while logged in as the affected user, and once as an administrator. The results may be different. The user that is created automatically on a new computer when you start it for the first time is an administrator. If you can't log in as an administrator, test as the affected user. Most personal Macs have only one user, and in that case this section doesn’t apply. Don't log in as root.

    7. Load this linked web page (on the website "Pastebin.") The title of the page is "Diagnostic Test." Below the title is a text box headed by three small icons. The one on the right represents a clipboard. Click that icon to select the text, then copy it to the Clipboard on your computer by pressing the key combination command-C.

    If the text doesn't highlight when you click the icon, select it by triple-clicking anywhere inside the box. Don't select the whole page, just the text in the box.

    8. Launch the built-in Terminal application in any of the following ways:

    ☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)

    ☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.

    ☞ Open LaunchPad and start typing the name.

    Click anywhere in the Terminal window to activate it. Paste from the Clipboard into the window by pressing command-V, then press return. The text you pasted should vanish immediately.

    9. If you see an error message in the Terminal window such as "Syntax error" or "Event not found," enter

    exec bash

    and press return. Then paste the script again.

    10. If you're logged in as an administrator, you'll be prompted for your login password. Nothing will be displayed when you type it. You will not see the usual dots in place of typed characters. Make sure caps lock is off. Type carefully and then press return. You may get a one-time warning to be careful. If you make three failed attempts to enter the password, the test will run anyway, but it will produce less information. If you don't know the password, or if you prefer not to enter it, just press return three times at the password prompt. Again, the script will still run.

    If the test is taking much longer than usual to run because the computer is very slow, you might be prompted for your password a second time. The authorization that you grant by entering it expires automatically after five minutes.

    If you're not logged in as an administrator, you won't be prompted for a password. The test will still run. It just won't do anything that requires administrator privileges.

    11. The test may take a few minutes to run, depending on how many files you have and the speed of the computer. A computer that's abnormally slow may take longer to run the test. While it's running, a series of lines will appear in the Terminal window like this:

    [Process started]
            Part 1 of 4 done at … sec
            …
            Part 4 of 4 done at … sec
            The test results are on the Clipboard.
            Please close this window.
    [Process completed]

    The intervals between parts won't be exactly equal, but they give a rough indication of progress.

    Wait for the final message "Process completed" to appear. If you don't see it within about 15 minutes, the test probably won't complete in a reasonable time. In that case, press the key combination control-C or command-period to stop it. Then go to the next step. You'll have incomplete results, but still something. If you close the Terminal window while the test is still running, the partial results won't be saved and you'll have to start over.

    12. When the test is complete, or if you stopped it because it was taking too long, quit Terminal. The results will have been saved to the Clipboard automatically. They are not shown in the Terminal window. Please don't copy anything from there. All you have to do is start a reply to this comment and then paste by pressing command-V again.

    At the top of the results, there will be a line that begins with the words "Start time." If you don't see that, but instead see a mass of gibberish, you didn't wait for the "Process completed" message to appear in the Terminal window. Please wait for it and try again.

    If any private information, such as your name or email address, appears in the results, anonymize it before posting. Usually that won't be necessary.

    13. When you post the results, you might see an error message on the web page: "You have included content in your post that is not permitted," or "The message contains invalid characters." That's a bug in the software that runs this website. Please post the test results on Pastebin, then post a link here to the page you created.

    If you have an account on Pastebin, please don't select Private from the Paste Exposure menu on the page, because then no one but you will be able to see it.

    14. This is a public forum, and others may give you advice based on the results of the test. They speak for themselves, not for me. The test itself is harmless, but whatever else you're told to do may not be. For others who choose to run it, I don't recommend that you post the test results on this website unless I asked you to.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Copyright © 2014, 2015 by Linc Davis. As the sole author of this work (including the referenced "Diagnostic Test"), I reserve all rights to it except as provided in the Use Agreement for the Apple Support Communities website ("ASC"). Readers of ASC may copy it for their own personal use. Neither the whole nor any part may be redistributed.

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 16, 2015 6:56 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 16, 2015 6:56 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    I'll have to read this in the morning. We did send apple detailed log files while the error was occurring (which is not all the time) as well as detailed info.

     

    Thanks for sending this.

     

    Alex

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 16, 2015 7:27 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 16, 2015 7:27 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    I thought I'd get a head start on the diag script. Here is the pastebin link. Many thanks for looking at this.

     

    Alex

     

    http://pastebin.com/7FQj3avk

  • by Linc Davis,Helpful

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 17, 2015 3:54 AM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 17, 2015 3:54 AM in response to Alexmania

    Frankly, you've made a lot of questionable decisions about installing software, and if I were in your place, I'd start over with a clean installation of OS X and only my documents. But I'll confine myself to commenting only on what seems relevant to the problem you asked about. Any or all of the following system modifications may be contributing:

     

          Attachment Tamer

          GPGMail

          MailHub

          MailSteward

     

    I suggest you remove all of them and see whether there's an improvement.

    Any third-party software that doesn't install from the App Store or by drag-and-drop into the Applications folder, and uninstall by drag-and-drop to the Trash, is a system modification.

    Whenever you remove system modifications, they must be removed completely, and the only way to do that is to use the uninstallation tool, if any, provided by the developers, or to follow their instructions. If the software has been incompletely removed, you may have to re-download or even reinstall it in order to finish the job.

    I never install system modifications myself, and except as stated in this comment, I don't know how to uninstall them. You'll have to do your own research to find that information.

    Here are some general guidelines to get you started. Suppose you want to remove something called “BrickMyMac” (a hypothetical example.) First, consult the product's Help menu, if there is one, for instructions. Finding none there, look on the developer's website, say www.brickmymac.com. (That may not be the actual name of the site; if necessary, search the Web for the product name.) If you don’t find anything on the website or in your search, contact the developer. While you're waiting for a response, download BrickMyMac.dmg and open it. There may be an application in there such as “Uninstall BrickMyMac.” If not, open “BrickMyMac.pkg” and look for an Uninstall button. The uninstaller might also be accessed by clicking the Customize button, if there is one.

    Back up all data before making any changes.

    You will generally have to restart the computer in order to complete an uninstallation. Until you do that, there may be no effect, or unpredictable effects.

    If you can’t remove software in any other way, you’ll have to erase and install OS X. Never install any third-party software unless you're sure you know how to uninstall it; otherwise you may create problems that are very hard to solve.

    Trying to remove complex system modifications by hunting for files by name often will not work and may make the problem worse. The same goes for "utilities" such as "AppCleaner" and the like that purport to remove software.

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 17, 2015 3:56 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 17, 2015 3:56 AM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    Thanks very much. Apple told me the exact opposite. They said their 'tool' would properly cleanse my mail profile, but off course I never saw that tool and believe you.Do you think it's safe to do a time machine backup and then restore my profile or should I truly do a setup from scratch, painful though that may be.

     

    Thanks again,

     

    Alex

  • by Linc Davis,Helpful

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 17, 2015 8:26 AM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 17, 2015 8:26 AM in response to Alexmania

    To solve the problem that you raise in your original question, I don't think you need to wipe your account. Just remove the system modifications.

     

    To have a well-functioning, stable system, see below.

    Back up all data to at least two different storage devices, if you haven't already done so. One backup is not enough to be safe. The backups can be made with Time Machine or with Disk Utility. Preferably both.

    Erase and install OS X. This operation will destroy all data on the startup volume, so you had be better be sure of the backups. If you upgraded from an older version of OS X, you'll need the Apple ID and password that you used, so make a note of those before you begin.

    When you restart, you'll be prompted to go through the initial setup process. That’s when you transfer the data from a backup.

    Select only users and Computer & Network Settings in the Setup Assistant dialog—not Applications or Other files and folders. Don't transfer the Guest account, if it was enabled.

    Reinstall third-party software selectively. I can only suggest general guidelines. Self-contained applications that install into the Applications folder by drag-and-drop or download from the App Store are usually safe. Anything that comes packaged as an installer or that prompts for an administrator password is suspect, and you must test thoroughly after reinstalling each such item to make sure you haven't restored the problem. I strongly recommend that you never reinstall "security" products or "utilities," nor any software that changes the user interface or the behavior of built-in applications such as Mail. If you do that, the problem is likely to recur.

    Before installing any software, ask yourself the question: "Am I sure I know how to uninstall this without having to wipe the volume again?" If the answer is "no," stop.

    Never install any third-party software unless you know how to uninstall it.

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 17, 2015 8:28 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 17, 2015 8:28 AM in response to Linc Davis

    Thanks, Linc!

     

    I'm in the process of doing a Time Machine backup now. I have to find a second drive to do a disk utility backup.

     

    Installing all the software will be the problem. I've already contact 1Password because I have the website version not the app store version. Hopefully I can start this evening. Time machine is telling me 9 hours to complete the backup.

     

    Many thanks!

     

    Alex

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 18, 2015 10:18 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 18, 2015 10:18 AM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    I just wanted to update you. I've done a complete wipe / clean install and restored only my use account (not the software). I'm in the process of reinstalling my apps now and I'll be much more careful moving forward. That said, not every app can be gotten from the app store. I will certainly get my apps that way whenever possible.

     

    Thanks for taking the time.

     

    Alex

  • by Alexmania,

    Alexmania Alexmania Nov 18, 2015 4:23 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 18, 2015 4:23 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

     

    I wanted to repot that mail stopped receiving mail at 4:30PM. Syncing mailboxes and re-starting mail did not do the trick. Unless you think there is a different solution, I'm going to do another wipe / install of El Cap on a formatted drive, except this time I'm not going to use the migration assistant to restore my profile. I believe there is a corruption in the profile itself.

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Alex

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 18, 2015 6:07 PM in response to Alexmania
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    Nov 18, 2015 6:07 PM in response to Alexmania

    Please repeat the test you ran earlier and post the results. I'd like to see what has changed.

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