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Q: reinstall windows on bootcamp

moved to a new iMac from old mac pro.  have my drive with bootcamp on it running on an external drive.  has been working fine.  today, after installing a parallels update, windows fails to start.  several attempts at startup repair have yielded nothing.  i am running windows 7.  is there a way to reinstall windows without destroying the programs i have there?

 

i have an external DVD reader.

iMac with Retina 5K display, OS X El Capitan (10.11.1)

Posted on Nov 24, 2015 4:23 PM

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  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 24, 2015 4:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 24, 2015 4:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    PS  because, i think, Boot Camp is on an external drive, i can't boot from it. 

     

    i have also used Time Machine to restore Parallels Desktop to yesterday's version, but get the same result.

     

    i should, i guess, not that during the Parallels upgrade it was suggested to change the video memory allocation, which i did. 

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Nov 24, 2015 4:55 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 24, 2015 4:55 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    1. Do you still have your old MacPro?

    2. From Install Windows 7 and earlier on your Mac using Boot Camp - Apple Support, the last iMac to support W7 64-bit is

    iMac

     

    Mac modelWindows 7
    64-bit    		Windows 7
    32-bit    		Windows Vista
    64-bit    		Windows Vista
    32-bit    		Windows XP
    32-bit
    iMac (Retina 5K,
    27-inch, Late 2014)    		5----

     

    Is this what you have?

    3. How is the external drive connected to the iMac, USB, FW, TB,...?

    4. Parallels has it's own BIOS emulation and NTFS drivers. These drivers can cause NTFS corruption, especially on external disks, if the drive is ejected incorrectly, or has connection issues.

    5. Repairing W7 is much easier on the old MacPro, rather than the iMac5k.

    6. The drivers installed on the W7 are/were specific to the old MacPro. Moving to a different hardware platform (your GPUs, audio cards, BT) are all different, so it is a bit surprising that W7 ran fine under Bootcamp on the iMac 5k at all. If it ran fine under Parallels, after it was moved to the iMac and has never been run before under Bootcamp on the iMac 5K, the first run under Bootcamp on the 5K will cause failures and should have resulted in BSODs.

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 24, 2015 5:03 PM in response to Loner T
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:03 PM in response to Loner T

    Yes, this what I have. I no longer have the Mac Pro.

     

    I Have not run under boot camp in years.

     

    Tthe drive is in a sonnet echo 15 hub which is connected to the iMac with a thunderbolt cable

     

    i was so happy when this worked. Not so much now

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 24, 2015 5:08 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:08 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    A Note. The drive, which used to be in an internal bay in the Mac Pro, was in an enclosure attached by USB. I moved it to the bay inside the sonnet just yesterday. I am pretty sure I ran parallels the nice, because I remember getting the new version message.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Nov 24, 2015 5:41 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:41 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    1. Did Parallels/W7 work when connected via USB?

    2. Did Parallels/W7 work when connected via TB, before Parallels Update?

    3. Did Parallels/W7 work when connected via TB, after Parallels Update?

    4. Are/Were there any Windows Updates at any of these points in time?

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 24, 2015 5:51 PM in response to Loner T
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:51 PM in response to Loner T

    1  Yes

    2 yes

    3 no

    4. I have no idea. They seem to happen without any action on my part. I can sometimes tell by the amount of disk activity, but I don't remember.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Nov 24, 2015 6:12 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 24, 2015 6:12 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    Does the W7/TB show up as a selectable Startup Disk in iMac System Preferences -> Startup Disk? If yes, can you test booting directly from it? Be aware that this may fail because Parallels has been hiding BC driver issues and it can cause worse problems. You may want to backup critical data before experimenting.

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 24, 2015 6:23 PM in response to Loner T
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    Nov 24, 2015 6:23 PM in response to Loner T

    IT does not.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Nov 25, 2015 5:03 AM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 25, 2015 5:03 AM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    Can you post the output of the following Terminal commands?

     

    diskutil list

    diskutil cs list

    sudo gpt -vv -r show /dev/diskN

    sudo fdisk /dev/diskN

     

    You need to pick a value of "N" from the output of the first command which points to the TB/external Windows disk.

     

    The "sudo" commands will prompt for your password, and it will not be echoed back. You may also see a warning about improper use of "sudo" and potential data loss due to "abuse" of the command.

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 25, 2015 8:40 AM in response to Loner T
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    Nov 25, 2015 8:40 AM in response to Loner T

    1.

     

    /dev/disk1 (internal, physical):

       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *121.3 GB   disk1

       1:                        EFI EFI                     209.7 MB   disk1s1

       2:          Apple_CoreStorage Macintosh HD            121.0 GB   disk1s2

       3:                 Apple_Boot Boot OS X               134.2 MB   disk1s3

    /dev/disk2 (internal, virtual):

       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

       0:                  Apple_HFS Pahtze                 +3.1 TB     disk2

                                     Logical Volume on disk1s2, disk0s2

                                     496F353E-8FEA-4302-A03B-26D42E7AE1F2

                                     Unencrypted Fusion Drive

    /dev/disk3 (external, physical):

       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

       0:     FDisk_partition_scheme                        *16.0 GB    disk3

       1:                 DOS_FAT_32                         16.0 GB    disk3s1

    /dev/disk4 (external, physical):

       #:                       TYPE NAME                    SIZE       IDENTIFIER

       0:      GUID_partition_scheme                        *1.0 TB     disk4

       1:                        EFI EFI                     209.7 MB   disk4s1

       2:                  Apple_HFS Big Daddy               849.9 GB   disk4s2

       3:                 Apple_Boot Recovery HD             650.0 MB   disk4s3

       4:       Microsoft Basic Data BOOTCAMP                149.4 GB   disk4s4

     

     

    2

     

    CoreStorage logical volume groups (1 found)

    |

    +-- Logical Volume Group 52163A81-FBA7-4E2E-BA9B-1418D9DFE222

        =========================================================

        Name:         Macintosh HD

        Status:       Online

        Size:         3120722075648 B (3.1 TB)

        Free Space:   114688 B (114.7 KB)

        |

        +-< Physical Volume BC8D0914-4635-4A78-B980-382871487F7A

        |   ----------------------------------------------------

        |   Index:    0

        |   Disk:     disk1s2

        |   Status:   Online

        |   Size:     120988852224 B (121.0 GB)

        |

        +-< Physical Volume E5D1406D-0A13-4336-AA33-403B26DB8336

        |   ----------------------------------------------------

        |   Index:    1

        |   Disk:     disk0s2

        |   Status:   Online

        |   Size:     2999733223424 B (3.0 TB)

        |

        +-> Logical Volume Family 5BC902CE-9512-4DAB-B52C-96641E478267

            ----------------------------------------------------------

            Encryption Type:         None

            |

            +-> Logical Volume 496F353E-8FEA-4302-A03B-26D42E7AE1F2

                ---------------------------------------------------

                Disk:                  disk2

                Status:                Online

                Size (Total):          3114866704384 B (3.1 TB)

                Revertible:            No

                LV Name:               Pahtze

                Volume Name:           Pahtze

                Content Hint:          Apple_HFS

                LVG Type:              Fusion, Sparse

     

    3

     

    gpt show: /dev/disk4: mediasize=1000204886016; sectorsize=512; blocks=1953525168

    gpt show: /dev/disk4: Suspicious MBR at sector 0

    gpt show: /dev/disk4: Pri GPT at sector 1

    gpt show: /dev/disk4: Sec GPT at sector 1953525167

           start        size  index  contents

               0           1         MBR

               1           1         Pri GPT header

               2          32         Pri GPT table

              34           6        

              40      409600      1  GPT part - C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B

          409640  1660017280      2  GPT part - 48465300-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

      1660426920        1368        

      1660428288     1269544      3  GPT part - 426F6F74-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

      1661697832         216        

      1661698048   291823616      4  GPT part - EBD0A0A2-B9E5-4433-87C0-68B6B72699C7

      1953521664        3471        

      1953525135          32         Sec GPT table

      1953525167           1         Sec GPT header

    iMac:~ fjerome$ pt show: /dev/disk4: mediasize=1000204886016; sectorsize=512; blocks=1953525168

    -bash: pt: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$ gpt show: /dev/disk4: Suspicious MBR at sector 0

    gpt: unknown command: show:

    iMac:~ fjerome$ gpt show: /dev/disk4: Pri GPT at sector 1

    gpt: unknown command: show:

    iMac:~ fjerome$ gpt show: /dev/disk4: Sec GPT at sector 1953525167

    gpt: unknown command: show:

    iMac:~ fjerome$        start        size  index  contents

    -bash: start: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$            0           1         MBR

    -bash: 0: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$            1           1         Pri GPT header

    -bash: 1: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$            2          32         Pri GPT table

    -bash: 2: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$           34           6        

    -bash: 34: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$           40      409600      1  GPT part - C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B

    -bash: 40: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$       409640  1660017280      2  GPT part - 48465300-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

    -bash: 409640: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1660426920        1368        

    -bash: 1660426920: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1660428288     1269544      3  GPT part - 426F6F74-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

    -bash: 1660428288: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1661697832         216        

    -bash: 1661697832: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1661698048   291823616      4  GPT part - EBD0A0A2-B9E5-4433-87C0-68B6B72699C7

    -bash: 1661698048: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1953521664        3471        

    -bash: 1953521664: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1953525135          32         Sec GPT table

    -bash: 1953525135: command not found

    iMac:~ fjerome$   1953525167           1         Sec GPT header

     

    4

     

    Disk: /dev/disk4 geometry: 121601/255/63 [1953525168 sectors]

    Signature: 0xAA55

             Starting       Ending

    #: id  cyl  hd sec -  cyl  hd sec [     start -       size]

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    1: EE    0   0   2 -   25   6  46 [         1 -     409639] <Unknown ID>

    2: AF   25   6  47 - 1023  54  30 [    409640 - 1660017280] HFS+       

    3: AB 1023  59  60 - 1023  46  22 [1660428288 -    1269544] Darwin Boot

    *4: 07 1023  46  47 - 1023   5   5 [1661698048 -  291823616] HPFS/QNX/AUX

  • by Loner T,Helpful

    Loner T Loner T Nov 27, 2015 12:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 27, 2015 12:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    Please post the output of

     

    sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk4s4 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C

     

    Parallels may also have pointers internally, which can point to a specific disk path and it can change based on disk discovery that the firmware will run at boot time.

     

    Can you check Application -> Utilities -> Console logs for any disk-related messages?

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 25, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Loner T
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    Nov 25, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Loner T

    sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk4s4 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C

    Password:

    00000000  eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20  20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00  |.R.NTFS    .....|

    00000010  00 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00  ff 00 40 00 00 80 0b 63  |..........@....c|

    00000020  00 00 00 00 80 00 80 00  ff df 64 11 00 00 00 00  |..........d.....|

    00000030  00 00 0c 00 00 00 00 00  02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|

    00000040  f6 00 00 00 01 00 00 00  7e c8 be 08 08 bf 08 74  |........~......t|

    00000050  5e a3 08 61 fa 33 c0 8e  d0 bc 00 7c fb 68 c0 07  |^..a.3.....|.h..|

    00000060  1f 1e 68 66 00 cb 88 16  0e 00 66 81 3e 03 00 4e  |..hf......f.>..N|

    00000070  54 46 53 75 15 b4 41 bb  aa 55 cd 13 72 0c 81 fb  |TFSu..A..U..r...|

    00000080  55 aa 75 06 f7 c1 01 00  75 03 e9 dd 00 1e 83 ec  |U.u.....u.......|

    00000090  18 68 1a 00 b4 48 8a 16  0e 00 8b f4 16 1f cd 13  |.h...H..........|

    000000a0  9f 83 c4 18 9e 58 1f 72  e1 3b 06 0b 00 75 db a3  |.....X.r.;...u..|

    000000b0  0f 00 c1 2e 0f 00 04 1e  5a 33 db b9 00 20 2b c8  |........Z3... +.|

    000000c0  66 ff 06 11 00 03 16 0f  00 8e c2 ff 06 16 00 e8  |f...............|

    000000d0  4b 00 2b c8 77 ef b8 00  bb cd 1a 66 23 c0 75 2d  |K.+.w......f#.u-|

    000000e0  66 81 fb 54 43 50 41 75  24 81 f9 02 01 72 1e 16  |f..TCPAu$....r..|

    000000f0  68 07 bb 16 68 70 0e 16  68 09 00 66 53 66 53 66  |h...hp..h..fSfSf|

    00000100  55 16 16 16 68 b8 01 66  61 0e 07 cd 1a 33 c0 bf  |U...h..fa....3..|

    00000110  28 10 b9 d8 0f fc f3 aa  e9 5f 01 90 90 66 60 1e  |(........_...f`.|

    00000120  06 66 a1 11 00 66 03 06  1c 00 1e 66 68 00 00 00  |.f...f.....fh...|

    00000130  00 66 50 06 53 68 01 00  68 10 00 b4 42 8a 16 0e  |.fP.Sh..h...B...|

    00000140  00 16 1f 8b f4 cd 13 66  59 5b 5a 66 59 66 59 1f  |.......fY[ZfYfY.|

    00000150  0f 82 16 00 66 ff 06 11  00 03 16 0f 00 8e c2 ff  |....f...........|

    00000160  0e 16 00 75 bc 07 1f 66  61 c3 a0 f8 01 e8 09 00  |...u...fa.......|

    00000170  a0 fb 01 e8 03 00 f4 eb  fd b4 01 8b f0 ac 3c 00  |..............<.|

    00000180  74 09 b4 0e bb 07 00 cd  10 eb f2 c3 0d 0a 41 20  |t.............A |

    00000190  64 69 73 6b 20 72 65 61  64 20 65 72 72 6f 72 20  |disk read error |

    000001a0  6f 63 63 75 72 72 65 64  00 0d 0a 42 4f 4f 54 4d  |occurred...BOOTM|

    000001b0  47 52 20 69 73 20 6d 69  73 73 69 6e 67 00 0d 0a  |GR is missing...|

    000001c0  42 4f 4f 54 4d 47 52 20  69 73 20 63 6f 6d 70 72  |BOOTMGR is compr|

    000001d0  65 73 73 65 64 00 0d 0a  50 72 65 73 73 20 43 74  |essed...Press Ct|

    000001e0  72 6c 2b 41 6c 74 2b 44  65 6c 20 74 6f 20 72 65  |rl+Alt+Del to re|

    000001f0  73 74 61 72 74 0d 0a 00  8c a9 be d6 00 00 55 aa  |start.........U.|

    00000200

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 25, 2015 3:56 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 25, 2015 3:56 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    i did not notice any disk related things in the console log.  a little later, i will try to launch again and see what shows up.

  • by Forrest Jerome1,

    Forrest Jerome1 Forrest Jerome1 Nov 27, 2015 12:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1
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    Nov 27, 2015 12:37 PM in response to Forrest Jerome1

    while this conversation has been going on, i involved Parallels support.  first line support spend about an hour logged into my machine before bumping it up to 2nd level.  this seemed to be like something they had seen before.

     

    2nd level contacted me today and asked me to demonstrate the error.

     

    it worked perfectly. 

     

    ????

     

    i ascribed magical powers to this person.

     

    thanks for your help, but it looks like my kludgy arrangement is back to working.

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