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Q: BootCamp drivers or Manufacturer drivers?

Hi guys.

 

I want to install Windows 10 with USB device in my MBA late 2012 i5 1,7Ghz/128SSD OWC/4Gb (El Capitan 10.11.3 beta)

 

my simply question is: What is the better to windows system performance BootCamp drivers or Manufacturer drivers?

 

Manufacturer drivers It´s up to update, Apple drivers...


Thanks for all!

iMac, OS X El Capitan (10.11.1), Macbook Air 11" 2012 + MacMini 2014

Posted on Dec 28, 2015 5:23 AM

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  • by GoldFran,

    GoldFran GoldFran Jan 2, 2016 12:03 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jan 2, 2016 12:03 PM in response to Loner T

    Loner T wrote:

     

    All the Intel GPUs on Windows PCs support a feature called WiDi (Wireless Display). The same GPUs do not support the same feature on Macs, instead AirPlay is used. Most AMD GPUs have modified firmware from Apple, and the product IDs do not match generic product IDs. Using a generic BT driver does not support Apple keyboard features. Trackpad drivers are also similar. It is not an isolated case.

     

    Please see Can't resize Macintosh HD partition as an example of W10 on a 2012 MBP using EFI 1.1 and ESP.

     

    It´s true, same CPU Socks haven´t the same features. Feature spect determined by number or final letter for example:

    intel-naming-scheme.jpg

    It´s true too that same other devices (GPU or BT Devices) in Apple Macs has diferent firmwares although be the same physic board... Apple Word I suppose

     

    At moment I only update onboard intel chipset and haven´t problem

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jan 2, 2016 12:24 PM in response to GoldFran
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    Jan 2, 2016 12:24 PM in response to GoldFran

    GoldFran wrote:

     

    It´s true too that same other devices (GPU or BT Devices) in Apple Macs has diferent firmwares although be the same physic board... Apple Word I suppose

     

    At moment I only update onboard intel chipset and haven´t problem

    Because of firmware differences, in general, WHQL drivers do not work. If the WHQL drivers and Apple-specific ones have different firmware and different PID/VID, they should not even install for the same physical board because of such differences. Yet, WHQL drivers are pushed to Macs and cause failures.

     

    This indicates bad management of such differences and drivers that correspond to such differences. Here is an example of such bad management - Retina 5K - AMD Boot Camp Driver failure . Between Apple, Microsoft and vendors, this is bad for consumers. The linked discussion is about an year old.  

     

    I have kept copies of the original USBs with which I installed Windows (W7 on my Mac Minis 2011/2012) to avoid bad drivers killing the OSes. I personally will never buy another AMD GPU Mac. Look at the 2013 MacPros with AMD GPUs.

  • by GoldFran,

    GoldFran GoldFran Jan 2, 2016 12:31 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jan 2, 2016 12:31 PM in response to Loner T

    Loner T wrote:

     

    Because of firmware differences, in general, WHQL drivers do not work. If the WHQL drivers and Apple-specific ones have different firmware and different PID/VID, they should not even install for the same physical board because of such differences. Yet, WHQL drivers are pushed to Macs and cause failures.

     

    This indicates bad management of such differences and drivers that correspond to such differences. Here is an example of such bad management - Retina 5K - AMD Boot Camp Driver failure . Between Apple, Microsoft and vendors, this is bad for consumers. The linked discussion is about an year old.

     

    I have kept copies of the original USBs with which I installed Windows (W7 on my Mac Minis 2011/2012) to avoid bad drivers killing the OSes. I personally will never buy another AMD GPU Mac. Look at the 2013 MacPros with AMD GPUs.

    Yep, It´s very curious... The problem is that all this, affects consumers... And this consumers can´t "enjoy" the latest update drivers... Always the same problem between manufacturers...

     

    the anyway I do these tests with my Macbook Air so this crash, restore it and enjoy

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jan 2, 2016 12:40 PM in response to GoldFran
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    Jan 2, 2016 12:40 PM in response to GoldFran

    Thanks, GoldFran , for that little discussion. It is rare to have such discussions on ASC, because the focus is always on solving problems reported by users, and very little on technical discussions which focus on other issues.

  • by GoldFran,

    GoldFran GoldFran Jan 2, 2016 12:47 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jan 2, 2016 12:47 PM in response to Loner T

    Yes! It is a pleasure for me too.

     

    the problem is that I speak English more or less basic level. You advantage to me

     

    I like to discuss because the solution to problems is easily found on the web but a good discuss It´s hard to find If my English level was better, I would always discuss.

     

    Remember, I´m a SysAdmin (high tech, security and Windows and HP Server ) Interesting to me tech forums

  • by Loner T,Helpful

    Loner T Loner T Jan 2, 2016 2:54 PM in response to GoldFran
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    Jan 2, 2016 2:54 PM in response to GoldFran

    GoldFran wrote:

     

    I like to discuss because the solution to problems is easily found on the web but a good discuss It´s hard to find If my English level was better, I would always discuss.

    Your language is fine, no worries. My native language is not English, either.

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