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Q: Tired of El Capitan Font Issues

I'm tired of El Capitan font issues!

 

I have removed all but the System Installed Fonts, yet there are constant font conflicts and the display of gibberish characters.

 

Apple's font management application will not do a comparison of ALL fonts residing on my computer, so fonts that I use for my design work cannot be analyzed alongside the newly installed system fonts.

 

Again, people at Apple are deciding things that should be the decision of their users, and imposing their judgement and design esthetics on the people who pay for their products.

 

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Any help would be appreciated.

MacBook Pro, OS X El Capitan (10.11.1), iPad, iPhone and iOS 9.1

Posted on Jan 7, 2016 3:06 PM

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  • by djtnyc,

    djtnyc djtnyc Mar 4, 2016 3:01 AM in response to BinsuJiro
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    Mar 4, 2016 3:01 AM in response to BinsuJiro

    You  are not the only designer whose fonts do not show up in QuarkXpress anymore. I use Extensis Suitcase Fusion 6 and Quark 2015 and have been wrestling with this since last Sept 2015 when I stupidly updated to El Capitan. Each update that they finally released is supposed to fix it – but doesn't.

     

    Before El Capitan everything worked fine. It has been a nightmare that has gone on for almost 6 months with endless hours conversing with Quark and Extensis forums and emails – waiting for updates. It is definitely related to El Capitan and those third party apps. I finally walked a way from Quark for a couple of months and just worked with Photoshop where the fonts appear okay.

     

    But after I briefly had a work-around by dragging some fonts into the OS Fonts folder – which sometimes worked. But the latest update to El Capitan has permanently broken it and now just about all Post script fonts no longer appear in Quark legacy or new layouts. They show fine in Apple's TextEdit and Adobe Photoshop, just not Quark. Now even Helvetica Postscript doesn't work anymore. I switched to TrueTYpe for all my Helvetica now.

     

    I've boiled it down to mostly Postscript 1 fonts incompatibility with Quark under El Capitan. Quark is clueless and offers no help. OpenType and Truetype are the only fonts formats with no issues. But with my 5000 legacy font collection and over 25 years of legacy Quark documents – as a professional art director this is a bona fide disaster.

     

    I really wish Apple or SOMEONE would address this. Even a work-around! Please!

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Mar 4, 2016 7:29 AM in response to djtnyc
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    Mar 4, 2016 7:29 AM in response to djtnyc
    I've boiled it down to mostly Postscript 1 fonts incompatibility with Quark under El Capitan.

    I noted this earlier in this topic. This is a known issue with El Capitan.

     

    1) If you put legacy Mac TrueType or Type 1 PostScript fonts in the root Library's Fonts folder, they may or may not show up in any, or all apps. You also may only see part of set.

     

    2) If you open legacy Mac TrueType or Type 1 PostScript fonts in any font manager "in place", the same thing will happen.

     

    3) If you put legacy Mac TrueType or Type 1 PostScript fonts into the Fonts folder of your user account, they will work as expected in all apps.

     

    This bug does not affect OpenType fonts. I haven't yet tested to see if this has been fixed in 10.11.3.

  • by dialabrain,

    dialabrain dialabrain Mar 4, 2016 7:50 AM in response to djtnyc
    Level 5 (5,890 points)
    Mac App Store
    Mar 4, 2016 7:50 AM in response to djtnyc

    I don't know if you've read this Suitcase Fusion support page but if not, here it is…

    http://support.extensis.com/Support/58278/58411/en-US/Article/View/1174/PostScri pt-font-auto-activation-and-display-issu…

  • by Miklos,

    Miklos Miklos Jul 28, 2016 3:17 PM in response to BinsuJiro
    Level 1 (92 points)
    Mac OS X
    Jul 28, 2016 3:17 PM in response to BinsuJiro

    I have had to grapple with the same issue for a while, but only because I started removing fonts from the System > Library > Fonts and the Library > Fonts folders. I even had Axure Pro crash on opening files because of missing fonts. I decided to spend some time testing which fonts are causing the issues if missing (removed). I did a "restore" of OSX by restarting a test drive and using "Command+R" to go into restore/ utilities, terminal mode at startup. 30 min of restoring later all the fonts came back. OSX El Capitan installs over 1 GB of fonts between the System > Library > Fonts and the Library > Fonts folders .

     

    I started removing some fonts from both folders just for the sake of it and test the system. I could usually test quickly between iMessage and emojis in messages if a required font was missing. I also looked at other apps and font displays. I managed to cut fonts down in these two folders to about half of what OSX installs by default.

     

    Hopefully this will help. Here's a list of fonts I have between the System > Library > Fonts and the Library > Fonts folders and everything on my Mac is hunky dory (I'm not saying these are all required, I'm sure I could cut the list down more but I haven't had time to play with it more):

     

    System > Library >  Fonts:

     

    Apple Braille Outline 6 Dot.ttf

    Apple Braille Outline 8 Dot.ttf

    Apple Braille Pinpoint 6 Dot.ttf

    Apple Braille Pinpoint 8 Dot.ttf

    Apple Braille.ttf

    Apple Color Emoji.ttf

    Apple Symbols.ttc

    AppleSDGothicNeo.ttc

    AquaKana.ttc

    ArialHB.ttc

    Avenir Next Condensed.ttc

    Avenir Next.ttc

    Avenir.ttc

    Courier.dfont

    Geneva.dfont

    HelveLTMM

    Helvetica.dfont

    HelveticaNeue.dfont

    HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc

    Hiragino Sans GB W3.ttc

    Hiragino Sans GB W6.ttc

    Keyboard.ttf

    LastResort.ttf

    LucidaGrande.ttc

    Monaco.dfont

    Noteworthy.ttc

    PingFang.ttc

    SFNSDisplay-Black.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Bold.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Heavy.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Light.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Medium.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Regular.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Semibold.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Thin.otf

    SFNSDisplay-Ultralight.otf

    SFNSText-Bold.otf

    SFNSText-BoldG1.otf

    SFNSText-BoldG2.otf

    SFNSText-BoldG3.otf

    SFNSText-BoldItalic.otf

    SFNSText-BoldItalicG1.otf

    SFNSText-BoldItalicG2.otf

    SFNSText-BoldItalicG3.otf

    SFNSText-Heavy.otf

    SFNSText-HeavyItalic.otf

    SFNSText-Light.otf

    SFNSText-LightItalic.otf

    SFNSText-Medium.otf

    SFNSText-MediumItalic.otf

    SFNSText-Regular.otf

    SFNSText-RegularG1.otf

    SFNSText-RegularG2.otf

    SFNSText-RegularG3.otf

    SFNSText-RegularItalic.otf

    SFNSText-RegularItalicG1.otf

    SFNSText-RegularItalicG2.otf

    SFNSText-RegularItalicG3.otf

    SFNSText-Semibold.otf

    SFNSText-SemiboldItalic.otf

    Symbol.ttf

    Times.dfont

    TimesLTMM

    ZapfDingbats.ttf

    ヒラギノ明朝 ProN W3.ttc

    ヒラギノ明朝 ProN W6.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W0.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W1.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W2.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W3.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W4.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W5.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W6.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W7.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W8.ttc

    ヒラギノ角ゴシック W9.ttc

     

    Library > Fonts

     

    Andale Mono.ttf

    Apple Chancery.ttf

    AppleGothic.ttf

    Arial Bold Italic.ttf

    Arial Bold.ttf

    Arial Italic.ttf

    Arial Unicode.ttf

    Arial.ttf

    Calibri Bold Italic.ttf

    Calibri Bold.ttf

    Calibri Italic.ttf

    Calibri.ttf

    Chalkboard.ttc

    ChalkboardSE.ttc

    Courier New Bold Italic.ttf

    Courier New Bold.ttf

    Courier New Italic.ttf

    Courier New.ttf

    Georgia Bold Italic.ttf

    Georgia Bold.ttf

    Georgia Italic.ttf

    Georgia.ttf

    GillSans.ttc

    Lucida Sans

    Lucida Sans Unicode.ttf

    Microsoft Sans Serif.ttf

    MS Reference Sans Serif.ttf

    MT Extra

    News Gothic MT

    NISC18030.ttf

    STIXGeneral.otf

    STIXGeneralBol.otf

    STIXGeneralBolIta.otf

    STIXGeneralItalic.otf

    STIXIntDBol.otf

    STIXIntDReg.otf

    STIXIntSmBol.otf

    STIXIntSmReg.otf

    STIXIntUpBol.otf

    STIXIntUpDBol.otf

    STIXIntUpDReg.otf

    STIXIntUpReg.otf

    STIXIntUpSmBol.otf

    STIXIntUpSmReg.otf

    STIXNonUni.otf

    STIXNonUniBol.otf

    STIXNonUniBolIta.otf

    STIXNonUniIta.otf

    STIXSizFiveSymReg.otf

    STIXSizFourSymBol.otf

    STIXSizFourSymReg.otf

    STIXSizOneSymBol.otf

    STIXSizOneSymReg.otf

    STIXSizThreeSymBol.otf

    STIXSizThreeSymReg.otf

    STIXSizTwoSymBol.otf

    STIXSizTwoSymReg.otf

    STIXVar.otf

    STIXVarBol.otf

    Tahoma Bold.ttf

    Tahoma.ttf

    Times New Roman Bold Italic.ttf

    Times New Roman Bold.ttf

    Times New Roman Italic.ttf

    Times New Roman.ttf

    Trebuchet MS Bold Italic.ttf

    Trebuchet MS Bold.ttf

    Trebuchet MS Italic.ttf

    Trebuchet MS.ttf

    Verdana Bold Italic.ttf

    Verdana Bold.ttf

    Verdana Italic.ttf

    Verdana.ttf

    Webdings.ttf

    Wingdings 2.ttf

    Wingdings 3.ttf

    Wingdings.ttf

    Zapfino.ttf

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