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Q: Logic Pro X 10.2.1 update system overload problem

I have been using Logic Pro X for two months on my new MacBook Pro with 16gb of RAM with no major problems. Just after updating to the 10.2.1 version, the programme cannot cope with a 26 track jingle I had been working on and constantly issues the "system overload" message. The LCD display shows CPU use at 50% when 5 to 10 tracks are being used and it's overwhelmed when the rest come into play for the Chorus. This had never happened before.

 

Checking the Activity Monitor while playing the song  shows the computer is using ONLY 7GB of RAM of the 16GB I have (and this while having Safari open with many tabs and other Apps) and the CPU use is ONLY at 20%!

 

What has happened and how can I fix this? I need to work on this project urgently!

 

I may have learned the lesson never to update the software while working on a project whose deadline is fast approaching.

 

Disappointed.

MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch,Early 2015), OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)

Posted on Jan 22, 2016 5:42 AM

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  • by Plexus,

    Plexus Plexus Feb 18, 2016 6:27 PM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 18, 2016 6:27 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

    You raise a good point - why not roll back to LP9? I don't really use most of what Logic has to offer. I keep my workflow very basic. But 3rd party plugin heavy. Was 9 the earliest version that supports 64 bit plugins? I think I have it on disk somewhere?... no wait... I skipped 9. I have 8. I think 8 is 32 bit only right? I can google all this, no worries. but 10.2 works ok for me too. so I am happy on 10.2 and leave it at that.

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Feb 18, 2016 6:37 PM in response to Plexus
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    Feb 18, 2016 6:37 PM in response to Plexus
    Was 9 the earliest version that supports 64 bit plugins?

     

    Yes.. The 2010 Logic Pro 9 update to v9.1 was the first that ran 64bit.. but bear in mind you can only run OS X 10.6.8 on older Macs (mainly pre 2011) as SL doesn't have any built in support for the newer hardware in modern Macs....LP9.1.8 works ok'ish in later OS X versions such as Mountain Lion... but its nothing like as efficient and well performing, imho... as it is under SL...

     

    but 10.2 works ok for me too. so I am happy on 10.2 and leave it at that.

     

    Fair 'nuff

     

    Btw.. I still have an almost working all the time ST and creator setup here... as for me, that is still the most rock solid midi only rig available for external hardware synths..... but its getting harder  and much more expensive.. to replace/maintain the ST's aging hardware as each year passes..

     

    So... Im on the Cirklon waiting list...... I must be crazy!

  • by markorozco,

    markorozco markorozco Feb 18, 2016 11:23 PM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 18, 2016 11:23 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Ok I have resolved the issue of system overloads for my set up.

     

    Go to Preferences>Audio.

    I/O Buffer size changed from 128 to 256.

    On my machine that gives a Resulting Latency of 14.5ms Roundtrip (6.9ms Output)  <Your numbers may be different due to computer and interface>

    Recording Delay set to 0 Samples

    Processing Threads - Automatic

    Process Buffer Range - Large

    Multithreading - Playback Tracks (Changed from Playback & Live Tracks)

     

    So changing I/O Buffer size and Multithreading fixed the overload messages. To test it, I opened up a previous project containing 28 midi tracks and 14 vocal tracks with heavy use of plugins. Everything rendered on the fly in real time. Worked flawlessly.

     

    I did update my Native Instruments Komplete 9 Ultimate software prior to changing those settings but the System Overload message remained.

     

    Not only took care of the System Overload issue but resolved some other playback issues as well such as first note of a particular track not sounding right the first time you open and play it.

     

    Maybe I shouldn't have fired off that email to Mr. Cook so quick...

     

    Hope this helps

    Mark

     

    System Specs

    Late 2013 Mac Pro 8-Core 3.0ghz, 32gb ram (Factory), 2xD700, 1tb PCI-E Flash Drive (Factory)

    Logic Pro X 10.2.1, Apogee Duet 2, Rode NT-1A mic, Mackie MCU Pro console with 2 extenders,

    Akai MPK88 midi keyboard, M-Audio Keystation 88es, Pioneer HS7s with HS8S subwoofer.

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Feb 19, 2016 8:42 AM in response to markorozco
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    Feb 19, 2016 8:42 AM in response to markorozco

    FWIW....

     

    Your settings Mark, are basically identical now to those I use with all my testbed El Cap/Mavericks and LPX 10.2.1 rigs.. with the exception of the processing threads one which i set to the exact number of processors I have, rather than automatic... and, if I have more than 8 cores (Real and Virtual) I set it to 8 and no more because of a known issue with Logic and larger numbers of cores being used.. with certain Macs (Mainly older Mac Pros....)

     

    I also set Rewire behavior to OFF... as I don't use Rewire.

     

    Anyhow, glad your issues have now gone away after some internal tweaking.... and thanks for letting us know!

     

    Cheers..

     

    Nigel

  • by RoboTart,

    RoboTart RoboTart Feb 27, 2016 8:22 AM in response to markorozco
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    Feb 27, 2016 8:22 AM in response to markorozco

    Yay, thanks for posting this , it's fixed my system. All settings were the same as you listed other than:

     

    - I/O Buffer size changed from 128 to 256. <-- Mine was 1024?!

    - Multithreading - Playback Tracks (Changed from Playback & Live Tracks)

     

    Sorted! Thanks again!

  • by Piers Adams,

    Piers Adams Piers Adams Mar 10, 2016 11:52 AM in response to I want My ES2
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    Mar 10, 2016 11:52 AM in response to I want My ES2

    Hey this actually worked for me!

  • by Plexus,

    Plexus Plexus Mar 10, 2016 12:16 PM in response to Piers Adams
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    Mar 10, 2016 12:16 PM in response to Piers Adams

    The above setting helped a lot for me too. however with 10.2.2 I am still not getting as much system performance as with 10.2.0 with the same project. I have a project in particular that pushes my system to the brink with 10.2.0 with all the tracks frozen and buss effects off. but in 10.2.2 it still won't play reliably but is 10.2.0 it's fine.

     

    So I will remain with 10.2.0 and hope for the best from Apple in the future.

     

    Or switch DAWs at some point if they keep breaking Logic.

  • by markorozco,

    markorozco markorozco Mar 12, 2016 3:09 PM in response to Plexus
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    Mar 12, 2016 3:09 PM in response to Plexus

    Plexus,

     

    Tryinig bumping up your I/O to 512 for that particular project and see if it helps. I particularly do not like to freeze tracks or bounce to audio to save processing power, for me it limits editing down the road. Also, your system specs aren't available, how much ram do you have? I believe that for my particular computer 16gb ram would handle the majority of what I do, but I opted for 32gb ram just to be on the safe side for a whole host of reasons.

     

    Technically turning off a plug-in should have the effect of not using CPU or Ram because it is off, but I truly think that some plug-ins are still active and using resources when turned off, the effects of the plug-in are just not being rendered when you listen to it. The only way to ensure it is to remove the plug-in completely from the channel strip. Just my personal opinion, no facts to base it on.

     

    Have you tried saving the project in 10.2.2 yet? A few times I have had issues where a project from an older version seemed to have issues and I wouldn't save it in the newer version. Once I started saving a duplicate project in the newer version the problems went away.

     

    Mark

     

    System Specs

    Late 2013 Mac Pro 8-Core 3.0ghz, 32gb ram (Factory), 2xD700, 1tb PCI-E Flash Drive (Factory)

    Logic Pro X 10.2.1, Apogee Duet 2, Rode NT-1A mic, Mackie MCU Pro console with 2 extenders,

    Akai MPK88 midi keyboard, M-Audio Keystation 88es, Pioneer HS7s with HS8S subwoofer.

  • by Plexus,

    Plexus Plexus Mar 13, 2016 3:01 PM in response to markorozco
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    Mar 13, 2016 3:01 PM in response to markorozco

    Ok I will try 512. I did try 1024 and it gave the best results compared with 128/256 but it's still on on par with 10.2.0.

     

    My machine: Macbook Pro 17" early 2011, 8G RAM, 240G SSD + 2T HDD

     

    In terms of RAM, when I monitor RAM free using a toolbar app, I never go under 1G of free RAM with my projects. This leads me to think that RAM is not that helpful with Logic when using mostly algorithmic plugins (not samplers).

  • by lynxpoint.ca,

    lynxpoint.ca lynxpoint.ca Mar 14, 2016 3:35 PM in response to I want My ES2
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    Mar 14, 2016 3:35 PM in response to I want My ES2

    Thank God, I was worried for a moment. Works great on playback only...

  • by Dominique.Cologne,

    Dominique.Cologne Dominique.Cologne Mar 16, 2016 6:32 PM in response to luraplitmur
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    Mar 16, 2016 6:32 PM in response to luraplitmur

    This latest Logic x upgrade is appallingly bad, all the projects are much slower, i also have to bounce in place any region that has flex marker edits in it, otherwise the workflow becomes simply too slow and buggy..does anyone get that ?

  • by markorozco,

    markorozco markorozco Mar 16, 2016 11:37 PM in response to Dominique.Cologne
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    Mar 16, 2016 11:37 PM in response to Dominique.Cologne

    Evidently you didn't read this post before posting...go further back up and you will see the settings that you need to change to make 10.2.1 work properly again.

  • by Dominique.Cologne,

    Dominique.Cologne Dominique.Cologne Mar 17, 2016 5:53 AM in response to markorozco
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    Mar 17, 2016 5:53 AM in response to markorozco

    Not that evident since i did read the entire post, and not only this post, but pretty much all the recent guides about how to make optimise OSX and Logic, to no avail.

    What to me is evident my friend, is that Apple keeps developing updates that require more and more resources, do i need to explain why? that is evident as well.

    surely after all those years software programming should progress to the point of economise resources required by a machine..or at least keep it at a stable level.. that is clearly not the case.. just look at the reviews and the feedback on yosemite and el capitan , or IOS for iphones.

    I could be wrong, sure, it could also be that Apple hired bricklayers and bakers.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Mar 17, 2016 11:38 AM in response to Dominique.Cologne
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    Mar 17, 2016 11:38 AM in response to Dominique.Cologne

    Dominique.Cologne wrote:

     

    What to me is evident my friend, is that Apple keeps developing updates that require more and more resources, do i need to explain why? that is evident as well.

     

     

    Yep, gotta keep those $$$ coming in, it's all about bottom line now.

     

    I stayed with Snow Leopard and Logic 9 as both are fast and efficient on an older Mac Pro...I want a fast, stable environment to work in, could care less about all the bells and whistles.

  • by markorozco,

    markorozco markorozco Mar 18, 2016 12:19 AM in response to Dominique.Cologne
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    Mar 18, 2016 12:19 AM in response to Dominique.Cologne

    Excuse me if my response seemed arrogant or rude. Was not my intent. The probable solution to your problem is a few posts up and if you care to look you can see, it has at least worked for myself and a few others that posted as well. You also failed to post your system specs, so there is no way to know whether or not that is having an effect on your issue.

     

    If you just wish to vent your anger and not really seek assistance, this is probably not the best place for you to post.

     

    If you are actively searching for a solution to your problem, post your specs and your problem, read the posts above, and I am certain anyone here that can help would be more than happy to help to the best of their abilities.

     

    As far as your comment about what is evident in requiring more and more resources well...thats just the nature of computers and software progression. Computers that are faster and faster, software that can do more and more, that need computers that are faster to do more (sounds like an anti-drug commercial I saw way back when - "I do drugs, so I can work more, so I can make more money, so I can buy more drugs, so I can work more...)

     

    I hope you don't hold your breath for the day you can run Logic 15 on a 1st generation iPad or Bondi Blue iMac. To run the latest and greatest software you need the latest and greatest computer...

     

    Mark

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