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Importing a disc with minor scratches

If a CD has minimum scratches (but minor signs of wear none the less), is it likely that will effect the quality of the sound files when you import it? To elaborate on my personal situation, I have at least a couple discs that do show minor signs of wear, but they're scratches/scuffs/whatever that you likely wouldn't really even see unless you hold it more directly under a light (i.e. right below a lamp's bulb). Furthermore, I've imported these CDs without detecting any freezes, skips or "hang-ups" in the importing processes, which I've even encountered every now and then with otherwise brand new CDs at times. To also better explain, suppose the disc in question has a quality of 9.0-9.5, if ~10.0 is what one would expect from a brand new disc.


These has been sort of a long-time concern of mine, so it'd be nice if I could get some solid closure to it.


Thanks

- Drew


PS - I know listening to the files afterwards is one sure-fire test, but if possible it would also be nice if I can know that I can maybe import such discs, and shouldn't even have to double-check.

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Posted on Feb 9, 2016 9:46 PM

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Feb 9, 2016 10:07 PM in response to manas101

manas101 wrote:

PS - I know listening to the files afterwards is one sure-fire test, but if possible it would also be nice if I can know that I can maybe import such discs, and shouldn't even have to double-check.

Sorry it doesn't work like that, you have to listen to the entire import to know be sure it has imported error free. iTunes doesn't give enough feedback to show when a disk had error, even minor ones. You can sometimes tell by the sound of the reader - it slows the speed of the drive & takes longer to import.


iTunes will attempt to reread areas of damaged disks if you enable the 'use error correction when importing' option inside the import settings however it will still create artefacts if a section is damaged.


You may be able to recover a scratched disk by polishing the underside with a specific disk cleaner, however they are somewhat expensive for ones that are reliable. You could try asking at a large local game store - they may have machines for polishing game disks that get handled & scuffed by teenagers 🙂

You may find it is cheaper just to buy the albums in the iTunes store or on Amazon etc.


If the wear or scratches are on the top of the disk you are out of luck, the foil reflects the laser & is tough to repair. The laser is more fussy than our eyes, so if you can see through any part of the disk I wouldn't rely on it working.

Feb 9, 2016 10:12 PM in response to manas101

CD-players have error correction built into their firmware - they're designed to cope with a degree of degradation due to damage, dirt, etc. without audible impact. Computers, however, are somewhat more exacting and lack the "real-time" error correction of CD players - therefore, extracting audio ("ripping") from a damaged/dirty CD may give more audible defects than playing it through your hi-fi. Software that's used for audio extraction typically has some degree of error detection/correction built in. iTunes' CD import functions have this as an option - in general, its a good idea to keep this turned on, and in a lot of cases this will handle minor defects within affecting the resulting files in iTunes.


For more extreme cases, there are dedicated utilities that can do a better job than iTunes - the best known for Windows users is probably Exact Audio Copy(EAC), which can be configured to apply error detection/correction capabilities that most other software lacks. Without going into too many details, EAC can attempt to read every sample on the CD multiple times, attempting to get a consistent value, and even if that's impossible use adjacent samples to generate a "best guess' for what the data should be. It also has very comprehensive logging so you can check the degree to which error correction has been applied. I've encountered examples of CDs that would not import correctly into iTunes (resulting in random clicks, pops and "diginoise" artifacts) but which I could process using EAC with far better results.


There are (at least) three ways in which you can use EAC alongside iTunes:


  • extract the audio data as WAV files, import into iTunes, then use the latter's features to convert to a more usable format (ALAC for lossless, MP3 or AAC for lossy)
  • extract the audio data as WAV files, use another utility to create and associate metadata (tags) and convert to a more iTunes-friendly format, then import these to iTunes
  • use EAC's built-in functions (or one of the available 3rd party plugins) to convert the audio directly to MP3, AAC, etc.


The second and third options have the benefit that you don't have to deal with replicated files and library entries within iTunes (where if you convert a WAV file to AAC you end up with both in your library and have to explicitly delete the initial WAV version).

Importing a disc with minor scratches

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