gerard morgan

Q: Adjustments not creating new versions

Hi everyone

First of all thanks in advance to anyone who can help with this...

 

Context:

Since trying to install some new software (Adobe CC and Lightroom 5 and PS5) I've been having multiple crashes and issues with Aperture.

Prior to this eveything has been working tremendously well for a ong time, including multiple plug-ins (Nik suite, CS4, others)

Was using OS10.6.8 and Aperture3.2.4, upgraded to 10.8.5 and 3.4.5 in January 2016 - everything still worked beautifully having tested via cloned drive beforehand.

Another Apple support community helped with the uninstall of CC and checking for possible issues related to the flawed CC release earlier Feb. 2016.

 

Problem:

  • In whatever library I have or now create (e.g. as a test) adjustments to newly imported photos do not create new versions. Old photos/projects etc still work and will create new versions
  • Aperture preferences are set to create new versions when making adjustments. Trashed preferences, repair database and permissions, and reinstaling 3.4.5 haven't helped.
  • So, how can I get Aperture to create new versions when making adustments again...

 

Regards

Gerard

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5), MBP4,1 2.5GHz, Core2Duo 4GB 500SSD

Posted on Feb 23, 2016 10:28 PM

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  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 23, 2016 11:35 PM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 23, 2016 11:35 PM in response to gerard morgan
    Trashed preferences, repair database and permissions, and reinstaling 3.4.5 haven't helped.

    Just a hunch, did you restart the Mac after trashing the Preferences or at least log off and on?

     

    Remove "com.apple.aperture.plist" from your User Library > Preferences, also

    ~Library/Containers/com.apple.Aperture/  (remove the complete folder, not just items from com.apple.Aperture/

     

    Quit Aperture and log off  and on again before removing any of the library items.

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 27, 2016 1:03 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 1:03 AM in response to léonie

    Hi léonie

    thanks for such a quick response

    I've tried your suggestions, and variations of it relation to shut down/log off sequence and I still cannot create new versions.

    It's now also happening on previous projects, not just new ones.

    Any other suggestions very welcome....

     

    I did wonder if it could be related to fonts as I recall when I tried installing CC, LR5, PS5 it mentioned something about moving fonts, and when I recently opened Word For Mac 2011 it installed all the fonts again - I've since resolved duplicates and trashed any that were showing system errors.

     

    regards

     

    gerard

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 27, 2016 1:24 AM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 27, 2016 1:24 AM in response to gerard morgan

    Duplicate fonts can create all kinds of trouble. If you suspect duplicate fonts, open the Font Book utility and let it check your fonts.

     

    I cannot help much with an Aperture 3.4.5 version, because I cannot run this version in a supported way on El Capitan. I have to use brute force to start it at all.

    Can you create new versions manually?  Does at least the command "Photos > Duplicate Version" or "Photos > New Version from original"  work?

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 27, 2016 1:58 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 1:58 AM in response to léonie

    Been through font book and resloved duplicates etc

    I can create new versions but still only manually in the way you've suggested, albeit with a caveat:

    When I first updated to 10.6.8 and 3.4.5 new versions would open to the left of the original, rather than the right - annoying but not the end of the world.

    Now when I create a "Photos>New Version From Original" the new version opens to the right, named Version 2 as it should be, and if I then do an adjustment it opens another new version with the adjustment, to the left of the new version - i.e. the sequence is:

     

    'photo (original) - photo version 3 (new from original plus adjustment) - photo version 2 (new from original)'

     

    This is happening with RAW and jpegs - recent and old (i.e. pre-problem first started).

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 27, 2016 2:11 AM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 27, 2016 2:11 AM in response to gerard morgan

    Does it happen in a different user account as well?  Test while signed in as the guest user. Just create a small library for testing in the Guest user account.

    This way we can if it may help to trash your adjustment presets and other presets or not, that are only stored locally in your user library.

    See this help document: Isolating an issue by using another user account

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 27, 2016 3:54 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 3:54 AM in response to léonie

    Aperture adjusments working in new user acount as they should

     

    Lifted and stamped metatdata and adjustments also worked  (though hadn't tested beforehand if there was an issue with metadata too)

     

    However, this may or may not be related to it being a user acount but it would not let me edit in external editor (PS4 which I've had for ages via disc) saying license had expired but PS4 does work in usual user account.

     

    Logged out and back in to usual user acount and new adjustments not working as per original post. However, PS4 and Nik plugin. Lift and stamp metadata works too.

     

    Using PS4 without Aperture adjustments first creates a new version

    Using Nik Plugin (e.g. Silver Efex Pro 2) without Aperture adjustments first creates a new version (though the custom presets I'd created in SEP2 have all disappeared)

     

    If I don't add an Aperture adjustment but edit in external first, new versions are created to the right of the original as they should/used to; further adjustments in Aperture then create another version as they should, albeit to the left.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 27, 2016 4:09 AM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 27, 2016 4:09 AM in response to gerard morgan
    However, this may or may not be related to it being a user acount but it would not let me edit in external editor (PS4 which I've had for ages via disc) saying license had expired but PS4 does work in usual user account.

    That might be the gate keeper interfering  (System Preferences > Security and Privacy").  In the Guest account it is probably set to allow apps downloaded from the "AppStore", but not other applications. Was ist really "license had expired"  or "Certificate has expired"?

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 27, 2016 4:28 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 4:28 AM in response to léonie

    Can't recall but working in usual acount so not too concerned at the moment

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 27, 2016 4:37 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 4:37 AM in response to léonie

    This business with creating new versions is complicated, if you are mixing external editors, Aperture edits, and plug-ins.

    Perhaps it worked in the new library in the Guest account, because all photos have been unedited originals?

     

    New versions are created differently for edits in external editors and for Aperture edits, as you know. If you only edit in Aperture, you will only see new versions, if you enable the preference, but external edits will always create new versions, because they are creating a quasi-master file. This is getting messy, once you have created a new version by editing and are adding new edits. You should only be seeing a new version created if you switch between the editors for the next edits.  Otherwise the edits will be piled onto the last created version without a new version being created.  Could that be happening in your case?

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 27, 2016 5:16 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 27, 2016 5:16 AM in response to léonie

    I wonder if my wording has confused things - it often does!  Ignore external editors for now.

     

    Aperture does apply edits to an original (e.g. Nikon NEF) which are observable:

    Screen grab of orginal image/master:

    Screen Shot 2016-02-27 at 12.57.48.png

    This is the photo with a few quick adjustments:

    Screen Shot 2016-02-27 at 12.57.23.png

    What Aperture isn't doing is displaying the original and the adjusted version in a stack, despite preferences ticked for it to do so. It shows the adjusted version only, and doesn't name it 'Version 2'

    Screen Shot 2016-02-27 at 13.11.43.pngScreen Shot 2016-02-27 at 13.11.13.png

  • by léonie,Helpful

    léonie léonie Feb 29, 2016 9:07 PM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 29, 2016 9:07 PM in response to gerard morgan

    Gerard,

    I tested with Aperture 3.4.5 in El Capitan, using your Preferences settings. I could only test with JPEGs, because the RAW support for my camera has only been added in El Capitan.

    But when I edit a photo in Aperture 3.4.5, a new version will be created and I see it appear in the stack, to the left of the original version.

     

    Screen Shot 2016-02-27 at 16.33.15GMT.png

     

    As this is working for you in the Guest account, it is not a system wide issue.  There may be presets interfering in your User Library.

     

    Since you already removed the preferences, try next to move out the presets as described here:   Get help with Aperture 3 - Apple Support

     

    Move the user created presets, keyword lists, and so on...

    1. Quit Aperture.
    2. In the Finder choose Go to folder from the Go menu.
    3. Type ~/Library/Application Support/Aperture in the "Go to the folder" field. Press the Go button.
    4. Move the contents of this folder to your Desktop
    5. Restart your computer if you're using OS X Mavericks.
    6. Start Aperture and see if the issue is resolved. Note: Permanently removing these files will delete presets, metadata sets, keyword sets, and so on. If moving these files to the Desktop does not resolve the issue, move them back to their original location to restore the presets, adjustment chain presets, and metadata sets. In no case will removing these files affect metadata, keywords, or adjustments already applied to images.
  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 28, 2016 1:31 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 28, 2016 1:31 AM in response to léonie

    Hi again

    First off - thank you for all the help.It is very very much appreciated.

    Unfortunately, moving the other items to desktop hasn't fixed the problem.

     

    I have Time Machine back ups, as well as the cloned bootable drive from when I upgraded to OS10.8.5, Ap3.4.5

     

    My thoughts at this time are to pick the folders/permissons etc you outlined above and replace them with Time Machine or clone ones.

    My guess is the fault lies elsewhere but what do you think...?

     

    (I'm also considering deregistering/uninstalling my Adobe Lightroom and CS4 applications as I still have the disks etc. I'd have to get on to Google for the Nik suite I have in case that doesn't reload but that hopefully won't be a problem)

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Feb 28, 2016 2:12 AM in response to gerard morgan
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    Feb 28, 2016 2:12 AM in response to gerard morgan

    Have you tested with a new, empty Aperture library in your regular user account?

     

    If it is really working well in your Guest account, but not in your regular user account, and not even with a new Aperture  library created for testing in your regular user account, then it is something in your user library - preferences, presets, installed preferences panels, or login items .

     

    Check your System preferences > User & Groups, and open the Login Items tab  for your account,.  Are you launchin any items, that are not started, when working from the Guest account. Disable any processes started by recently installed applications, that you do not really need.  restart the Mac.

     

    Otherwise try, if restoring the folder Aperture's presets ~/Library/Application Support/Aperture   from your backup and restarting may help.

     

    There may have been problematic items left behind by your CC installation, but since I do not have that installed and I am running a different MacOS X version I canot help much with trouble shooting that.

  • by gerard morgan,

    gerard morgan gerard morgan Feb 28, 2016 2:35 AM in response to léonie
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    Feb 28, 2016 2:35 AM in response to léonie

    I'll have to have a look later...

    Only tried CC given thoughts about reluctantly moving on from Aperture at some point, probably when I eventually have to get a new compter as this one's been great but is 8 years old. Or a new camera and need the RAW decoding. I still love Aperture and and enjoy using it very regularly.

     

    Am of a similar thought re. CC leaving other stuff behind despite using proper uninstallers and CC Cleaner tool via Adobe website.

     

    Everthing seems to work fine in Guest acount - will test again later.

     

    The only thing that I have in my Login items is Nikon Message Centre 2 but that is disabled - not sure where iTuneshelper has gone or how to get it back!

     

    Gerard

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