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Airport Extreme and Cox Internet IPv6 Problem

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I have Cox Cable High Speed Internet at several locations using an Airport Extreme 3GB connected as a router to the Cox cable modem.


For more than a week we would regularly find in the morning that the outside connection to the internet DNS servers were lost. We called Cox several times, and they performed the usual reset of router and modem and things seem to work for a while. But the next day gone again.


They came out and replaced the hookups, I I had to buy a new cable modem and replaced a digital switch. Each time things seemed to work for a while.


I thought about replacing the Airport Extreme (as I read others had done in a similar situation to no avail).


After much frustration, I started to search for Airport Extreme and DNS and found similar tales.


After several unproductive calls with Cox Internet first tier support, I finally reached a tier who acknowledged that Cox was rolling out IPv6 and was having a problem with Airport Extreme Routers. They said Apple was working on it and gave me a number to call at apple router support. Unfortunalely the number they gave was no longer valid.

I persisted and eventually got to Apple support and indeed they knew of the problem and said Cox was working on it.. But there was a temporary fix - and that was to turn off iPv6 on the airport extreme (more precisely (internet > Internet Options > Configure Ipv6 : Link-Local Only).


For now this seemed to stop the overnight drop that seems to happen between 12:00 AM and 2:00 AM. From experience I dont think its really an IPV6 compaibility issue, but how the router responds to some sort of reset signal/test signal that the service does in the early morning.


So the question is - does anybody know for sure whats going on or who is really working on this. From my perspective both camps think its the other's problem. BTW - Ive read about others with Non Apple routers chasing something similar.

Posted on Mar 2, 2016 9:03 PM

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Jun 5, 2016 9:25 AM in response to starhopper

starhopper, yes, enable "Block Incoming IPv6 Connections." That turns on the IPv6 stateful firewall.


Since IPv6 no longer uses NAT, it uses a stateful firewall to block unauthorized requests from the WAN (Internet) side. It also keeps track of requests from your LAN (computers/devices) so when an answer comes back from the Internet (WAN) it knows which computer/device to direct the answer back to.

Jun 5, 2016 9:57 AM in response to sunjon

That's good information to share sunjon.


Stealth mode prevented a reply from ICMP ECHO_REQUESTs. People used stealth mode to try to hide their computers/networks on the Internet. It was considered security by obscurity but in truth it wasn't very effect and caused more problems then it solved.


For IPv6 to work properly it requires ICMPv6 ECHO_REQUESTs to receive a reply. So devices/computers that have a stealth mode option, it should be disable if you want IPv6 to work properly.

Jun 5, 2016 10:33 AM in response to starhopper

After installing the firmware update last week I decided to return the Airport Extreme factory default settings with iPv6 today. Was running the Google settings listed previously. I ran the test below before and after (the screen shot is after). My initial score was 4/20. After resetting my score is what you see below; 19/20.


We will see if the system stays up and running for any length of time with the firmware upgrade and factory defaults.

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Jun 5, 2016 2:06 PM in response to Gino_Cerullo

Bingo! ipv6 down again after ~13 hours.


ping6 -c 10 ipv6.google.com

PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2600:8802:4100:d9:954b:1cd6:4db:9ff6 --> 2607:f8b0:4000:803::200e


--- ipv6.l.google.com ping6 statistics ---

10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss


traceroute6 ipv6.google.com

traceroute6 to ipv6.l.google.com (2607:f8b0:4000:803::200e) from 2600:8802:4100:d9:954b:1cd6:4db:9ff6, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets

1 2600:8802:4100:d9:8a1f:a1ff:fe2a:5d51 0.527 ms 0.855 ms 1.364 ms

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(still running)


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Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 68.5.166.111

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Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) appears to be ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC - Cox Communications Inc., US

User uploaded file

No IPv6 address detected [more info]

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Our tests show that you will have a broken or misconfigured IPv6 setup, and this will cause problems as web sites enable IPv6.

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We have suggestions to help you fix your system. [more info]


Your readiness score
0/10for your IPv6 stability and readiness, when publishers are forced to go IPv6 only


Test with IPv4 DNS record

ok (0.068s) using ipv4

Test with IPv6 DNS record

timeout (15.008s)

Test with Dual Stack DNS record

timeout (15.008s)

Test for Dual Stack DNS and large packet

timeout (15.008s)

Test IPv4 without DNS

ok (0.063s) using ipv4

Test IPv6 without DNS

timeout (15.010s)

Test IPv6 large packet

timeout (15.006s)

Test if your ISP's DNS server uses IPv6

timeout (15.012s)

Find IPv4 Service Provider

ok (0.247s) using ipv4 ASN 22773

Find IPv6 Service Provider

timeout (15.021s)

Test for buggy DNS

undefined (5.005s)


If this posts, ipv4 is working as a fallback...

Jun 5, 2016 2:42 PM in response to OCRamón

OCRamon - Thanks for posting w/time window, and the more accurate the time window of failure, the better. ~13 hours is awfully close to 12 hours, which is when your IPv6 lease will renew (we have 24-hr leases and DHCPv6 clients renew every 1/2 lease lifetime). Incidentally, lease renewal was the primary failure condition we found and worked with Apple to fix. So I don't THINK that is the problem but who knows.


Couple things if you don't mind:

1. Post your cable modem MAC address, don't worry it's not a private piece of info, in fact its a L2 address so it's only reachable by you and our next-hop network equipment (CMTS in this case).

2. Post the IPv6 address of your Airport from when its working and then once it fails. As Gino stated, assuming you have "Block incoming IPv6 connections" enabled, this is also not exposing you to anything malicious.

Jun 5, 2016 3:14 PM in response to askin6305B

askin6305B wrote:


OCRamon - Thanks for posting w/time window, and the more accurate the time window of failure, the better. ~13 hours is awfully close to 12 hours, which is when your IPv6 lease will renew (we have 24-hr leases and DHCPv6 clients renew every 1/2 lease lifetime). Incidentally, lease renewal was the primary failure condition we found and worked with Apple to fix. So I don't THINK that is the problem but who knows.


Couple things if you don't mind:

1. Post your cable modem MAC address, don't worry it's not a private piece of info, in fact its a L2 address so it's only reachable by you and our next-hop network equipment (CMTS in this case).

2. Post the IPv6 address of your Airport from when its working and then once it fails. As Gino stated, assuming you have "Block incoming IPv6 connections" enabled, this is also not exposing you to anything malicious.

askin6305B, you'll want the IPv6 WAN address from his AirPort router is that correct?

NOTE: the image below does not show OCRamón's IPv6 address so don't use that one.

User uploaded file

Jun 5, 2016 4:00 PM in response to askin6305B

SB6182 has MAC address 84 61 A0 7D 3C AF. I assume that's the one you want. It also reports a "learned" MAC address.


#Known CPE MAC AddressStatus
184:61:a0:7d:3c:afSelf
288:1f:a1:2a:XXXXLearned

Let me know if this is safe to transmit.


ipv6 WAN address (when it's working) is 2600:8802:7f80:100:a497:6f81:2e6f:3631. No idea why Apple goes with lower case hex digits! I do have incoming connections blocked.


I'll have to wait for another failure to check the WAN address when the AEBS has failed.

Jun 5, 2016 6:14 PM in response to Tom380

Tom380 wrote:


Since 8 pm PDT last night have intermittently lost the IPv6 connection. Location is Orange County CA. IPv4 connection continues to work with normal internet speeds. Re-setting the cable modem temporarily restores the IPv6 connection, however, it is lost within minutes. Problem continues this morning.


Tom what's your cable modem MAC address?

Jun 5, 2016 7:28 PM in response to askin6305B

Cable Modem Mac address: D4:0A:A9:00:3F:51 The modem is an Arris SB6190.


Let me add recent observations for your use. I am located in Orange County, CA. Last night about 8pm PDT I lost IPv6 connectivity, however, I did maintain IPv4 connectivity, download/upload speeds were not affected. This morning about 8am PDT, I still had IPv4 connectivity, however, speeds were approximately half of normal value. Around 1pm PDT today IPv6 connectivity was re-esablished and has continued. I did not have to re-set the modem or the Airport Extreme. However, download/upload speed continues to be about half normal value.


Since I upgraded the Airport Extreme to the new firmware, the modem and Airport do not need to be re-set to regain internet access when IPv6 connectivity is lost. It appears it defaults to IPv4 with no action on my part. Likewise, when IPv6 is regained, the modem and airport automatically re-establish the connection with no action on my part. The firmware update appears to have corrected the problem where I had to re-set the modem or Airport manually, which I had been experiencing since April.


Hope this is useful information.

Airport Extreme and Cox Internet IPv6 Problem

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