Henrik Stilling

Q: Leaving Aperture

It's not that I really want to, but I am starting to look for a new photo application.

 

Can anyone recommend a photo application to replace Aperture?

 

With Aperture not being supported anymore, I would like to find a new application that can do some of the same things for me as Aperture does now. What I need is Canon raw editing, batch-changing of file names etc., library and organization, plus export to .jpg. I also use the magic wand for image enhancement.

 

I'm in no way professional, just a happy amateur that takes a lot of photos with DSLR and iPhone. Have been looking a bit on Lightroom, but would like to hear if anyone has any recommendations.

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)

Posted on Mar 16, 2016 2:46 AM

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  • by Lexiepex,Helpful

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    What comes to mind is

    iPhoto (which is no longer supported but runs well in ElCapitan),

    Photos, which will run better is the future perhaps, and which has the possibility to use third party extensions,

    Lightroom, which is at least as good as Aperture and is able to read in the Aperture Library. Perhaps the best. BUT: Adobe has changed its earning model lately to Cloud processing which makes it even costlier than it already was.. I use Lightroom 6 Standalone without cloud computing and am very satisfied, how long it will stay there, who knows.

    DxO Optics Pro: very good for processing but not as good as Lightroom as organiser. I use this as a plugin for Lightroom.

  • by léonie,Helpful

    léonie léonie Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    if you are looking for a digital asset management application with advanced RAW editing,  ckeck out LightRoom or Capture One.

     

    Lightroom has excellent editing tools, but many Aperture users don't like the graphical user interface.

    Capture One is closer to Aperture in the Look and Feel. 

     

    There are several discussions here comparing the options: Just browse for yourself

    Re: Replacement for Aperture

     

    Re: Advice for moving from Aperture to Lightroom

     

    Re: Aperture disappointment.

     

     

    I am still using Aperture  - it is still working on El Capitan, but I moved my main libraries to Photos for Mac.  This way I can profit from iCloud Photo Library, Photos supports the RAW format of my new camera,  and for advanced editing I use the Photo Editing extensions.  They are working similar to Aperture plug-ins.

     

    Batch Changing of filenames is not really supported in Photos.  You can use filename presets when exporting from Photos, but not change the filenames in the library.

  • by gno2,

    gno2 gno2 Mar 16, 2016 5:13 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 16, 2016 5:13 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    I have been researching this for a while.  I own Lightroom already as part my company's CC licensing so have been trying it out.  I also downloaded the trial versions of Capture One and Media Pro and have tried them.  I have also been dabbling with Photos - I use it at work.

     

    I'm not a professional photographer - my use of Aperture is to organize our family photo archives.  Professional photographers have different needs than someone like me.  Pro's need to manage smaller projects...and many of them.  A family archive can be one huge library, as it is nice to have access to all photos.  Also, many family photos are going to be taken on iPhones due to the convenience and ability to capture spontaneous moments.  So iPhone friendliness is very important.  This isn't a priority for Professional Photographers.

     

    I think Lightroom is the closest to Aperture in terms of features.  It has a nice import from Aperture, which can bring over keywords and albums.  But as Leonie said, the interface is not exactly inspiring.  And for whatever reason, their processing of previews makes the interface extremely sluggish as opposed to Aperture which is lightning fast.  The other thing is that, for some reason, it added some extra characters to the file name of a bunch of my iPhone photos, so when I import from my iPhone it wants to re-import like 600 duplicates.  This is a big problem for our family libraries.

     

    Phase One's Capture One is absolutely beautiful.  And together with Media Pro, it goes way beyond Aperture.  It also has a nice Aperture Import feature.  However, it is a two step process - you ingest into Capture One, then transfer to Media Pro for the library features.  You CAN use the Capture One library without Media Pro, but it's library features are weaker than Aperture's.  For some reason Capture One won't even recognize my iPhone for import.  The Phase One solution caters to professional studios.  The two step process and the iPhone issue are problems for me.

     

    This brings me to Apple Photos.  The conversion from Aperture is good.  (You do lose the 5 star ratings and some other features though)

    • It automatically organizes by Years / Collections / Moments, which is close to what I did in Aperture (manually) which is Years / Months / Days.  This will save me time.
    • It is the most iPhone friendly solution (which you'd expect).  Don't have to worry about importing duplicates.  Your edits on iPhone will carry over to Photos.
    • It is Integrated into other Apple software - for example: Apple Mail and iMessage allow direct export straight into Photos.
    • iCloud integration - Cloud storage is the future.  You will be able to edit your photos on any device.  You will be able to share online albums with other family members.  Your photos are automatically backed up.
    • The editing tools in Photos are powerful with the 3rd party Extensions and now the ability to round-trip edit with the external editor of your choice.
    • Apple Photos is geared toward Family Photo Archives (perfect for me).  It is not geared toward Professional Photographers.
    • Photos is young, so I'm looking forward to big improvements in the future.


    My choice is Apple Photos.  However if you are a professional Photographer you should take a look at Capture One+Media Pro or Lightroom.

  • by Taverner,

    Taverner Taverner Mar 16, 2016 8:19 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 16, 2016 8:19 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    My recommendation would be to check out Capture One Pro from Phase One. It is in fact closer to Aperture than Lightroom. Lightroom is extremely rigid and forces its workflow onto the user, you can't change anything of the interface and it makes very bad use of multi-screen setups and screen real estate in general. C1 has much better adjustment capabilities (better than both Aperture and LR) and has outstanding color rendition. Check out this thread as well:

     

    Re: Aperture to What?

     

    I do not agree with the statement by gno2 above, that Media Pro is required for use together with C1. I have migrated 30.000 pictures from Aperture to C1 and it works just fine without any second DAM software. Phase One has stated, that they want to include all of Media Pros functionality in C1 over time and retire MP at the end.

  • by gno2,

    gno2 gno2 Mar 16, 2016 4:22 PM in response to Taverner
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    Mar 16, 2016 4:22 PM in response to Taverner

    Taverner - I did not say that Media Pro was required.  This is from my post:  "You CAN use the Capture One library without Media Pro, but it's library features are weaker than Aperture's."  Library features are a personal preference.  Capture One's library features are not there for me yet - maybe they are fine for you.  And if you are right about them integrating Media Pro's features into Capture One, they would have one **** of a great product.  I asked them about that, and they answered my other questions, but did not answer that one. 

     

    You're right about Capture One's workflow being superior to Lightroom.  Plus their interface is absolutely beautiful, even better than Aperture.

  • by Henrik Stilling,

    Henrik Stilling Henrik Stilling Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 17, 2016 6:12 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    I want to thank you all for your replies. I have not come to any final conclusions, but some very good inputs on Lr and Capture One. I didn't know the last one existed.

     

    There are no obvious solution as Aperture in many way is a near perfect piece of software to me. Of course there is room for improvement, but Aperture in many ways fits my needs. The only problem is that it is no longer supported, I'm glad I have the last update.

     

    I think I'm ready to take the jump and i install El Capitan. If I have problems with Aperture afterwards, I still have both Time Machine and the possibility to take a backup of the library file, and it's a comfort that Lr or Capture One would import directly from that file. If there is one think I don't like about Aperture, it is the way the files are handled. I recall the old DOS days when you new exactly where your files were and you new every single file and it's function on your PC.

     

    I will continue using Aperture and cross my fingers an OS update will go smooth. When it doesn't make sense anymore, I think I will be intrigued by Lr, even as it is only available as a cloud subscription (ap. 91,- DKK around 20$). The good thing is, that both Lr and Capture One can be downloaded as a 30 day trial version.

     

    Thanks again to all of you.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Mar 17, 2016 6:18 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 17, 2016 6:18 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
    I think I will be intrigued by Lr, even as it is only available as a cloud subscription (ap. 91,- DKK around 20$).

    Lightroom is still available as a stand-alone application.

    Try this page:   http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html

  • by Henrik Stilling,

    Henrik Stilling Henrik Stilling Mar 17, 2016 6:28 AM in response to léonie
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    Mar 17, 2016 6:28 AM in response to léonie

    I'm not so sure. Try press the "Buy Now" button on Lr 6, it doesn't add anything to the cart, only the CC-plan is available. Perhaps that is just in some countries.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 18, 2016 3:40 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 18, 2016 3:40 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    Buying LR6 Standalone is a really hidden option:

    Follow this carefully:


    So when you open the link, you will see a list of Adobe products – Lightroom 6 is one of them.

     

    Please don’t click on “Photoshop Lightroom 6” – this will redirect you to the Lightroom CC page. Instead, chose the little “Buy” text below the price point. This will open a communication box with more options

     

    You can chose from a drop down menu whether you want to buy the full version or an upgrade, as well as the language that you need the software in. Click “Add to Cart” and this version will be added to you cart.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 18, 2016 3:43 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Mar 18, 2016 3:43 AM in response to Lexiepex

    and the screen shot:

     

    LTR6.jpg

  • by T_Y,

    T_Y T_Y Mar 21, 2016 3:30 PM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 21, 2016 3:30 PM in response to Henrik Stilling

    Re: Léone's comment, Lightroom's interface is a total non-starter for me. The logic is so alien that despite quote a few ernest attempts to get into it, I gave up.

     

    Re: other apps - years ago iPhoto had some features that made it a decent situation for pros who didn't have to manage massive collections, but then they started narrowing the focus on a consumer-only thing and it became much less useful. Even so, it was far better than Photos.

    When upgrading to El Capitan I discovered that the standard versions of Extensis Portfolio (the DAM app for our product shoot catalogues) was incompatible and had been dropped entirely in favor of the $2,000+ server version. After checking out as many affordable DAMs as I could lay my hands on, I went with Media Pro from PhaseOne. And then I discovered more reasons why Photos is not the greatest. When it coverted my iPhoto library I lost the ability to drag images from Photos and drop them into Media One. I had to fall back on the iPhoto library that was preserved by the upgrade and import everything from that. A major pain.

  • by tch2020,

    tch2020 tch2020 Mar 24, 2016 6:50 AM in response to Henrik Stilling
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    Mar 24, 2016 6:50 AM in response to Henrik Stilling

    Hello,

     

    In my opinion, I think Corel AfterShot 2 Pro is a good choice.

    Look at this : http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot/pro/?utm_medium=nav&utm_campai gn=AfterShotPro_2&hptrack=mmasp#tab=4

    There is a compatibility for Windows, Mac and Linux.

     

    Lightroom is not a solution for me because I'm not agree with the new Adobe business model.

     

    You have Pixelmator which is a very good solution, I use it for a long time and I'am very satisfied : http://www.pixelmator.com/mac/

    But I don't know if there is a compatibility for .raw