hdmi from video converter to thunderbolt input

I'm trying to get my new Macbook Pro to recognize an incoming signal from the HDMI output of a video converter. Signal is coming from composite cables from a DVD player, through the converter to an Apple HDMI to Thunderbolt cable. The system report says there is no device connected to either thunderbolt port. Seems like this input should show up in Quicktime, VLC, or even ustream broadcaster. Anyone had any luck with this?

Mac Pro, OS X El Capitan (10.11.1)

Posted on Mar 18, 2016 10:07 AM

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May 1, 2017 9:37 AM in response to vbck

FireWire is (was) an interesting beast. It was essentially a data communications protocol, but in the late 90s, video industry adopted it as their standard protocol for streaming standard-definition digital video (DV), with a standardised data format. Apple, the designer of FireWire, provided support for this data format inside Mac OS, which allowed Macintosh computers to natively understand DV stream coming via FireWire port. During the std-def years of DV, this worked beautifully; you could hook up any standard DV camcorder via firewire to the Mac, and the computer would automatically recognise it as an audio/video input device (essentially, a webcam). Any application that provided video capturing services (QuickTime, Skype, iChat AV, iMovie, Premiere, etc) could see it as an AV source and use it.


With HD, the digital A/V streaming protocol was built on HDMI. However, HDMI is NOT a standard data communication protocol used by computers in a way that FireWire was used. HDMI flows only in one direction, so a HDMI port on a Mac is strictly an output port. Modern Macs now have USB and Thunderbolt data ports, but neither of these is actually compatible with HDMI. In other words, you can't simply connect HDMI-to-Thunderbolt cable and capture live A/V stream from that camcorder. While there IS a thunderbolt-to-HDMI cable, its only purpose is to take the A/V component on the thunderbold port and convert it into HDMI for output to TV monitors. This is completely unrelated to the data traffic on Thunderbolt.


So, today, the only way to take a HDMI signal from a camcorder and capture it on a Mac is buy purchasing a $100+ HDMI-to-USB/USB3/Thunderbold (whichever target connector you need) capturing device, which will take that HDMI signal and convert it into a proper data stream that the computer can understand and capture.


People here have recommended Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle, Magawell, AJA, etc.

May 1, 2017 9:42 AM in response to vbck

The cable you got is not HDMI-to-thunderbolt. It is thunderbolt-to-HDMI. These are strictly one-way cables. The cable connects to your Mac's thunderbolt ports and, while completely ignoring the data traffic on it, it takes the HD video (and audio) from that port and outputs it on HDMI, so that you can connect it to a HDMI monitor / TV screen.


There is no way to connect HDMI output from some device into a thunderbolt port on a Mac and expect video to stream in. HDMI does NOT transmit computer data; it is only digital HD video (and audio), which needs to be converted into data. You need HDMI capturing device for that (cheapest is $100).

Mar 18, 2016 10:30 AM in response to vbck

Theoretically, this should be about the same as using an external camera, no? Composite outputs from camera to video converter - HDMI out to thunderbolt in. Onboard software (Quicktime, etc) should recognize it? I have an ancient macbook that will do this with firewire, but the newer the technology, the more limiting it seems. And my old macbook is dying. I'm trying to go modern here, but failing.

Mar 18, 2016 10:31 AM in response to vbck

yeah, you're right, it should. any chance you could use component cables, then again, you'd probably have to buy a different video converter. You'd probably have to get some kind of software application for the video converter, if there is one. let me see if I have this correctly: composite>HDMI> Thunderbolt via a converter box, then HDMI> Thunderbolt via whatever. I don't know what kind of video converter box you have, and whether or not it needs software. blackmagic design makes something like this . What i've seen is something that takes composite (and s-video plus analog audio ) and converts it to MiniDisplayPort. I think you have to mess around in displays and turn on extended desktop

here's a link (please note: I have nothing to do with Amazon, whomever makes this thing, or whatever, I'm just a guy posting here)

https://www.amazon.ca/DisplayPort-Composite-Video-S-Video-Converter/dp/B004VV8R8 6


as for software, I can't say off the bat. I used elgato's video capture device, but that was s-video and analog audio to usb, which doesn't really apply that well

and for video input and capture, I used iMovie. If you just want to play a dvd and have it show up on the the screen, I think you can get an external plug-in type dvd drive


good luck


John B

Mar 18, 2016 10:40 AM in response to vbck

and imported through firewire.


the video data supplied through firewire from a camera is not raw display data. The camera packetizes the data into a well-understood standard form.


It is Not time-sensitive display data when it is placed in FireWire packets.


You can still buy a Firewire adapter, if that would solve your problem.


http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD464LL/A/apple-thunderbolt-to-firewire-adapte r

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Mar 18, 2016 10:47 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Yes, I got the firewire adapter. Haven't had a chance to set that all up yet, but don't see what the difference will be. With that, I'm converting from firewire to thunderbolt, and with the other, I'm converting HDMI to thunderbolt. I was hoping to go direct from HDMI to thunderbolt, but looks like I'm dreaming. This should be the same as connecting an external camera to broadcast on ustream, for instance. Works fine with my 15 year old Mac, but not this one.

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