BGO125
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Q: Multiple crashes

I've been running OS X 10.11.3 for a couple of months now.  I continue to get multiple crashes on each of several apps (Safari, notes, calendar, email).  I have run several diagnostics and have also reloaded the OS.  Force quitting the app doesn't work, meaning that if I try to force quit the app the app still doesn't work when I try to restart the app.  Or, I'm unable to force quite.  This is either through the using the dock or through using command + option + esc.  The only fix is to restart my computer.  I have a macbook pro which is almost a year old with 8GB of RAM.  Any suggestions?

MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch,Early 2015)

Posted on Mar 19, 2016 7:37 AM

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  • by pinkstones,

    pinkstones pinkstones Mar 19, 2016 7:40 AM in response to BGO125
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    Safari
    Mar 19, 2016 7:40 AM in response to BGO125

    Do you have any of the following installed on your computer?  If so, uninstall them following the developer's instructions.

     

    • anti-virus programs (AVG, Avast, Avira, Intego, Kaspersky, McAfee, Norton, Sophos, Trusteer, etc.)
    • "maintenance" applications (AVG Cleaner, CCleaner, CleanMyMac, CleanMyDrive, MacCleaner, MacKeeper, MemoryCleaner, TuneMyMac, etc.)

     

    All those programs, plus others like it that I didn't name, have been known to compromise performance of Apple computers.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 19, 2016 7:42 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 6 (10,536 points)
    Mac OS X
    Mar 19, 2016 7:42 AM in response to BGO125

    Perhaps you can download  etrecheck  from  etrecheck.com

    Run it and post the list here.

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 7:43 AM in response to pinkstones
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 7:43 AM in response to pinkstones

    No, I don't use any of these programs.  I don't have any anti-virus, security or performance apps installed.

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 7:50 AM in response to Lexiepex
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 7:50 AM in response to Lexiepex

    I just ran it.  Here are the results:

     

    EtreCheck version: 2.9.10 (261)

    Report generated 2016-03-19 09:48:53

    Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

    Runtime 1:37

    Performance: Excellent

     

    Click the [Support] links for help with non-Apple products.

    Click the [Details] links for more information about that line.

     

    Problem: Apps are crashing

    Description:

    Multiple apps are crashing (safari, email, notes, calendar, etc.)

     

    Hardware Information: ⓘ

        MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)

        [Technical Specifications] - [User Guide] - [Warranty & Service]

        MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro12,1

        1 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2-core

        8 GB RAM Not upgradeable

            BANK 0/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

            BANK 1/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

        Bluetooth: Good - Handoff/Airdrop2 supported

        Wireless:  en0: 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

        Battery: Health = Normal - Cycle count = 94

     

    Video Information: ⓘ

        Intel Iris Graphics 6100

            Color LCD 2560 x 1600

     

    System Software: ⓘ

        OS X El Capitan 10.11.3 (15D21) - Time since boot: about 2 days

     

    Disk Information: ⓘ

        APPLE SSD SM0256G disk0 : (251 GB) (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)

            EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

            Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>  [Recovery]: 650 MB

            Macintosh HD (disk1) / : 249.78 GB (135.28 GB free)

                Encrypted AES-XTS Unlocked

                Core Storage: disk0s2 250.14 GB Online

     

    USB Information: ⓘ

        Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

     

    Thunderbolt Information: ⓘ

        Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

     

    Gatekeeper: ⓘ

        Mac App Store and identified developers

     

    System Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    6 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    144 Apple tasks

        [running]    86 Apple tasks

     

    System Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    44 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    149 Apple tasks

        [running]    94 Apple tasks

     

    Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [failed]    com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a...plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

     

    Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.Communicator.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.SMJobBlessHelper.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (2016-03-07) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.daemon.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

        [running]    com.microsoft.autoupdate.helpertool.plist (2016-02-18) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist (2015-03-25) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensingV2.helper.plist (2016-01-09) [Support]

     

    User Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist (2016-02-16) [Support]

     

    User Login Items: ⓘ

        iTunesHelper    Application  (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

        Google Chrome    Application Hidden (/Applications/Google Chrome.app)

        Dropbox    Application  (/Applications/Dropbox.app)

        join.me Launcher    Application  (~/Library/Application Support/join.me/join.me Launcher.app)

     

    Other Apps: ⓘ

        [running]    com.getdropbox.dropbox.91872

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.autoupdate.fba.82912

        [loaded]    391 Apple tasks

        [running]    212 Apple tasks

     

    Internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        FlashPlayer-10.6: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        QuickTime Plugin: 7.7.3 (2016-01-13)

        AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: 15.010.20060 - SDK 10.8 (2016-03-09) [Support]

        AdobePDFViewer: 15.010.20060 - SDK 10.8 (2016-03-09) [Support]

        Flash Player: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        Default Browser: 601 - SDK 10.11 (2016-01-13)

        o1dbrowserplugin: 5.41.3.0 - SDK 10.8 (2015-12-16) [Support]

        SharePointBrowserPlugin: 14.6.2 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-18) [Support]

        googletalkbrowserplugin: 5.41.3.0 - SDK 10.8 (2015-12-11) [Support]

     

    User internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin: 1.0.105 (2013-04-25) [Support]

        WebEx64: 1.0 - SDK 10.6 (2015-04-29) [Support]

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes: ⓘ

        Flash Player (2016-03-07) [Support]

     

    Time Machine: ⓘ

        Time Machine not configured!

     

    Top Processes by CPU: ⓘ

           109%    mdworker(12)

             5%    WindowServer

             4%    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent(13)

             3%    kernel_task

             1%    fontd

     

    Top Processes by Memory: ⓘ

        1.06 GB    kernel_task

        786 MB    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent(13)

        205 MB    Mail

        180 MB    Safari

        123 MB    mdworker(12)

     

    Virtual Memory Information: ⓘ

        1.60 GB    Free RAM

        6.40 GB    Used RAM (1.14 GB Cached)

        364 MB    Swap Used

     

    Diagnostics Information: ⓘ

        Mar 17, 2016, 02:45:59 PM    Self test - passed

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 19, 2016 8:17 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 6 (10,536 points)
    Mac OS X
    Mar 19, 2016 8:17 AM in response to BGO125

    Am I correct when I say that you did not have a crash since the last startup (two days)?

    I suggest following:

    > Turn off FileVault, this will take a considerable time

    > in SystemPreferences->Users&Groups->LoginItems: remove all entries, with the minus sign: you have to start these apps by hand when you want to run them., and so you avoid having more than one browser running automatically. After this Restart.

    > when there is no need for Citrix: uninstall it.

    > Some cleaning:

    . MacintoshHD->Library->InternetPlug-ins:  delete the two  AdobePDFViwer plugins: these are not necessary and the standard plugins are better.  Also dlete the Googletalkbrowser plugin.

    . In Microsoft Office setting turn off "autoupdate"

    Now restart again.

    After all this and as soon as FileVault is turnoff is ready, reindex Spotlight: Spotlight: How to re-index folders or volumes - Apple Support

    this will also take some time (and CPU load)

    When ready run again an etrecheck list.

    Lex

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 8:22 AM in response to Lexiepex
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 8:22 AM in response to Lexiepex

    You are correct, I have not had a crash for 2 days.  I will try and get back to you.  Thanks.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 19, 2016 8:32 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 6 (10,536 points)
    Mac OS X
    Mar 19, 2016 8:32 AM in response to BGO125

    I will standby (except tomorrow).

    Lex

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 10:21 AM in response to Lexiepex
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 10:21 AM in response to Lexiepex

    OK, I just completed it.  Here's the info:

     

    EtreCheck version: 2.9.10 (261)

    Report generated 2016-03-19 12:18:04

    Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

    Runtime 1:32

    Performance: Excellent

     

    Click the [Support] links for help with non-Apple products.

    Click the [Details] links for more information about that line.

     

    Problem: Apps are crashing

     

    Hardware Information: ⓘ

        MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)

        [Technical Specifications] - [User Guide] - [Warranty & Service]

        MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro12,1

        1 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2-core

        8 GB RAM Not upgradeable

            BANK 0/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

            BANK 1/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

        Bluetooth: Good - Handoff/Airdrop2 supported

        Wireless:  en0: 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

        Battery: Health = Normal - Cycle count = 94

     

    Video Information: ⓘ

        Intel Iris Graphics 6100

            Color LCD 2560 x 1600

     

    System Software: ⓘ

        OS X El Capitan 10.11.3 (15D21) - Time since boot: about one hour

     

    Disk Information: ⓘ

        APPLE SSD SM0256G disk0 : (251 GB) (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)

            EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

            disk0s2 (disk0s2) <not mounted> : 250.14 GB

            Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>  [Recovery]: 650 MB

     

    USB Information: ⓘ

        Apple Card Reader

        Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

     

    Thunderbolt Information: ⓘ

        Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

     

    Gatekeeper: ⓘ

        Mac App Store and identified developers

     

    System Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    6 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    151 Apple tasks

        [running]    79 Apple tasks

     

    System Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    44 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    151 Apple tasks

        [running]    92 Apple tasks

     

    Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [failed]    com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a...plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

     

    Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.Communicator.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.SMJobBlessHelper.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (2016-03-07) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.daemon.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.autoupdate.helpertool.plist (2016-02-18) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist (2015-03-25) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensingV2.helper.plist (2016-01-09) [Support]

     

    User Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist (2016-02-16) [Support]

     

    User Login Items: ⓘ

        None

     

    Other Apps: ⓘ

        [running]    com.etresoft.EtreCheck.143392

        [loaded]    397 Apple tasks

        [running]    192 Apple tasks

     

    Internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        SharePointBrowserPlugin: 14.6.2 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-18) [Support]

        FlashPlayer-10.6: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        QuickTime Plugin: 7.7.3 (2016-01-13)

        Flash Player: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        o1dbrowserplugin: 5.41.3.0 - SDK 10.8 (2015-12-16) [Support]

        Default Browser: 601 - SDK 10.11 (2016-01-13)

     

    User internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin: 1.0.105 (2013-04-25) [Support]

        WebEx64: 1.0 - SDK 10.6 (2015-04-29) [Support]

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes: ⓘ

        Flash Player (2016-03-07) [Support]

     

    Time Machine: ⓘ

        Time Machine not configured!

     

    Top Processes by CPU: ⓘ

             8%    kernel_task

             4%    WindowServer

             3%    hidd

             2%    fontd

             0%    Safari

     

    Top Processes by Memory: ⓘ

        760 MB    kernel_task

        459 MB    softwareupdated

        229 MB    ocspd

        164 MB    mds_stores

        164 MB    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent(2)

     

    Virtual Memory Information: ⓘ

        2.70 GB    Free RAM

        5.29 GB    Used RAM (1.97 GB Cached)

        0 B    Swap Used

     

    Diagnostics Information: ⓘ

        Mar 19, 2016, 10:42:04 AM    Self test - passed

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 19, 2016 10:29 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 6 (10,536 points)
    Mac OS X
    Mar 19, 2016 10:29 AM in response to BGO125

    Do it again when FileVault is off completely finished.

    Still no crash.

    How about Citrix?

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 10:56 AM in response to Lexiepex
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 10:56 AM in response to Lexiepex

    Sorry, I thought I got all the Citrix.  It looks like it is gone.  The crashes only happen every day or two.  FileVault was off.  I deleted the remaining Citrix, restarted and reran it.  Here is the info:

     

    EtreCheck version: 2.9.10 (261)

    Report generated 2016-03-19 12:56:00

    Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

    Runtime 1:25

    Performance: Excellent

     

    Click the [Support] links for help with non-Apple products.

    Click the [Details] links for more information about that line.

     

    Problem: Apps are crashing

     

    Hardware Information: ⓘ

        MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Early 2015)

        [Technical Specifications] - [User Guide] - [Warranty & Service]

        MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro12,1

        1 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2-core

        8 GB RAM Not upgradeable

            BANK 0/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

            BANK 1/DIMM0

                4 GB DDR3 1867 MHz ok

        Bluetooth: Good - Handoff/Airdrop2 supported

        Wireless:  en0: 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac

        Battery: Health = Normal - Cycle count = 94

     

    Video Information: ⓘ

        Intel Iris Graphics 6100

            Color LCD 2560 x 1600

     

    System Software: ⓘ

        OS X El Capitan 10.11.3 (15D21) - Time since boot: less than an hour

     

    Disk Information: ⓘ

        APPLE SSD SM0256G disk0 : (251 GB) (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)

            EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

            Macintosh HD (disk0s2) / : 250.14 GB (138.36 GB free)

            Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>  [Recovery]: 650 MB

     

    USB Information: ⓘ

        Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

     

    Thunderbolt Information: ⓘ

        Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

     

    Gatekeeper: ⓘ

        Mac App Store and identified developers

     

    System Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    6 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    157 Apple tasks

        [running]    73 Apple tasks

     

    System Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [not loaded]    44 Apple tasks

        [loaded]    157 Apple tasks

        [running]    86 Apple tasks

     

    Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [failed]    com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a...plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

     

    Launch Daemons: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.Communicator.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.ARMDC.SMJobBlessHelper.plist (2015-10-15) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (2016-03-07) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.apple.installer.osmessagetracing.plist

        [loaded]    com.google.keystone.daemon.plist (2016-03-03) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.autoupdate.helpertool.plist (2016-02-18) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist (2015-03-25) [Support]

        [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensingV2.helper.plist (2016-01-09) [Support]

     

    User Launch Agents: ⓘ

        [loaded]    com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist (2016-02-16) [Support]

     

    User Login Items: ⓘ

        None

     

    Other Apps: ⓘ

        [running]    com.etresoft.EtreCheck.143392

        [loaded]    398 Apple tasks

        [running]    189 Apple tasks

     

    Internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        SharePointBrowserPlugin: 14.6.2 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-18) [Support]

        FlashPlayer-10.6: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        QuickTime Plugin: 7.7.3 (2016-01-13)

        Flash Player: 21.0.0.182 - SDK 10.6 (2016-03-10) [Support]

        o1dbrowserplugin: 5.41.3.0 - SDK 10.8 (2015-12-16) [Support]

        Default Browser: 601 - SDK 10.11 (2016-01-13)

     

    User internet Plug-ins: ⓘ

        WebEx64: 1.0 - SDK 10.6 (2015-04-29) [Support]

     

    3rd Party Preference Panes: ⓘ

        Flash Player (2016-03-07) [Support]

     

    Time Machine: ⓘ

        Time Machine not configured!

     

    Top Processes by CPU: ⓘ

             7%    WindowServer

             2%    fontd

             2%    kernel_task

             1%    Dock

             0%    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent

     

    Top Processes by Memory: ⓘ

        782 MB    kernel_task

        238 MB    mdworker(16)

        229 MB    mds_stores

        205 MB    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent

        164 MB    Finder

     

    Virtual Memory Information: ⓘ

        2.95 GB    Free RAM

        5.05 GB    Used RAM (1.75 GB Cached)

        0 B    Swap Used

     

    Diagnostics Information: ⓘ

        Mar 19, 2016, 12:34:57 PM    Self test - passed

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 10:57 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 10:57 AM in response to BGO125

    I missed one.  Hold on, let me find it and I will rerun.

  • by BGO125,

    BGO125 BGO125 Mar 19, 2016 11:04 AM in response to BGO125
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Mar 19, 2016 11:04 AM in response to BGO125

    I'm having difficulty finding this last citrix file "com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist"  Any suggestions?

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Mar 19, 2016 12:02 PM in response to BGO125
    Level 10 (208,037 points)
    Applications
    Mar 19, 2016 12:02 PM in response to BGO125

    Please read this whole message before doing anything.

    This procedure is a test, not a solution. Don’t be disappointed when you find that nothing has changed after you complete it.

    Step 1

    The purpose of this step is to determine whether the problem is localized to your user account.

    Enable guest logins* and log in as Guest. Don't use the Safari-only “Guest User” login created by “Find My Mac.”

    While logged in as Guest, you won’t have access to any of your documents or settings. Applications will behave as if you were running them for the first time. Don’t be alarmed by this behavior; it’s normal. If you need any passwords or other personal data in order to complete the test, memorize, print, or write them down before you begin.

    Test while logged in as Guest. Same problem?

    After testing, log out of the guest account and, in your own account, disable it if you wish. Any files you created in the guest account will be deleted automatically when you log out of it.

    *Note: If you’ve activated “Find My Mac” or FileVault, then you can’t enable the Guest account. The “Guest User” login created by “Find My Mac” is not the same. Create a new account in which to test, and delete it, including its home folder, after testing.

    Step 2

    The purpose of this step is to determine whether the problem is caused by third-party system modifications that load automatically at startup or login, by a peripheral device, by a font conflict, or by corruption of the file system or of certain system caches.

    Please take this step regardless of the results of Step 1.

    Disconnect all wired peripherals except those needed for the test, and remove all aftermarket expansion cards, if applicable. Start up in safe mode and log in to the account with the problem.

    Note: If FileVault is enabled in OS X 10.9 or earlier, or if a firmware password is set, or if the startup volume is a software RAID, you can’t do this. Ask for further instructions.

    Safe mode is much slower to start up and run than normal, with limited graphics performance, and some things won’t work at all, including sound output and Wi-Fi on certain models. The next normal startup may also be somewhat slow.

    The login screen appears even if you usually log in automatically. You must know your login password in order to log in. If you’ve forgotten the password, you will need to reset it before you begin.

    Test while in safe mode. Same problem?

    After testing, restart as usual (not in safe mode) and verify that you still have the problem. Post the results of Steps 1 and 2.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 19, 2016 1:32 PM in response to BGO125
    Level 6 (10,536 points)
    Mac OS X
    Mar 19, 2016 1:32 PM in response to BGO125

    In this last one FileVault is off at last (you see that in the Disk Portion).

    Citrix: yes one thing left but that is hardly the cause of crashes:

    They do not cause issues but can be cleared:

    Hold the Alt(option) key and in Finder goto   yourname-folder->Library->LaunchAgents  and find a file with   G2MUpdate in the name: delete that one. There are only very few plists in there.

    Then to be clean even more: in MacintoshHD->Library->LaunchAgents  delete the ....Adobe.ARM.... plist,

    then in  MacintoshHD->Library->LaunchDaemons   delete the two  --Adobe.ARM... plists.

    Restart.

    Now it is very clean. I would not know what can cause a crash now. Maybe hardware.

    After all this, do what Linc asks. Maybe there is an indication what happens, although it will probably take some time before a crash occurs.

    Lex

    (I return late tomorrow night, 1100 KM)

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