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Q: 2nd Airport Extreme replaces an older AP, is it connected via wifi or ethernet?

Sorry for the lame question, I read over the Apple info but I'm a bit confused with the concept of extending the range with a bridge instead of an access point.

 

The original setup was an Apple Extreme with a TrendNet AP. The Trendnet used a different SSID, the new AESB bridge uses the same SSID as the AESB/router. I used the Airport utility and I believe it only gave me an option to extend the range of the original AEBS. The new AESB bridge is connected to Ethernet.

 

I'm confused if the new AESB is using the same SSID as the AESB/Router does this mean that it isn't using the ethernet. How do I know if the second AESB is using the Ethernet or extending the range of the Wifi? Or, did I mess up and need to re-setup the AESB?

 

Is a Bridge effectively a AP but uses the same SSID? any other differences?

 

 

thanks in advance!

OS X El Capitan (10.11.2), MP 5,1 six-core

Posted on Mar 31, 2016 5:57 PM

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Q: 2nd Airport Extreme replaces an older AP, is it connected via wifi or ethernet?

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  • by Bob Timmons,

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons Mar 31, 2016 6:19 PM in response to J_M2
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    Mar 31, 2016 6:19 PM in response to J_M2

    Let's back off on the terminology for a bit, since terms like "extend", 'bridge" and "access point" can mean different things to different people.

     

    You have an AirPort Extreme at the present time that is producing a wireless network signal, correct?

     

    You want to add another AirPort Extreme to your existing AirPort Extreme network, correct?

     

    You want the new AirPort Extreme to connect to the existing AirPort Extreme using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection, correct?

     

    You want the new AirPort Extreme to use the same wireless network name and password as your existing AirPort Extreme, correct?

  • by J_M2,

    J_M2 J_M2 Mar 31, 2016 6:36 PM in response to Bob Timmons
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    Mar 31, 2016 6:36 PM in response to Bob Timmons

    You have an AirPort Extreme at the present time that is producing a wireless network signal, correct?

     

    Yes, I have an Airport Extreme that is setup as the router and wifi

     

    You want to add another AirPort Extreme to your existing AirPort Extreme network, correct?

     

    I've actually set it up, it replaced a TrendnetAP TEW637AP.

     

    You want the new AirPort Extreme to connect to the existing AirPort Extreme using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection, correct?

     

    Yes correct.

     

    You want the new AirPort Extreme to use the same wireless network name and password as your existing AirPort Extreme, correct?

     

    This is the confusion that I have. I thought that the new Airport Extreme would use it's own SSID if it was connected to Ethernet but it appears that I am wrong. I found this info https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2…

     

    All Wi-Fi base stations within the roaming network should use the same passwords, security type (Open/WEP/WPA), and network name (SSID).

     

    This sounds like a bit of magic that the Airport Extreme(s) will negotiate which will connect to the device.

     

    It seems that it's setup OK?

     

    But I do have another question. Does anyone that has access to the wifi and airport utility have the ability to change settings? Is there anyway to secure this?

     

    thanks again.

  • by Bob Timmons,Solvedanswer

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons Mar 31, 2016 6:48 PM in response to J_M2
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    Mar 31, 2016 6:48 PM in response to J_M2

    This is the confusion that I have. I thought that the new Airport Extreme would use it's own SSID if it was connected to Ethernet but it appears that I am wrong. I found this info https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2…

    Unfortunately, I cannot open the link that was included here, so do not have the details that you were asking about.

     

    If you used Apple's setup "wizard" for the second AirPort Extreme, the wizard would have automatically set up the second AirPort Extreme to use the same wireless network name, same password, same wireless security as the first AirPort Extreme.  The second AirPort Extreme would have also been automatically set up in what is known as Bridge Mode.

     

    You can confirm all of this if you are able to access the settings of the second AirPort Extreme using AirPort Utility.  Post back if you are not sure how to do this.

     

    All Wi-Fi base stations within the roaming network should use the same passwords, security type (Open/WEP/WPA), and network name (SSID).

     

    This sounds like a bit of magic that the Airport Extreme(s) will negotiate which will connect to the device.

    Again....terminology can easily confuse.  Now you have added another term....."roaming network".

     

    If you used the setup "wizard" to set up the second AirPort Extreme, both AirPorts are now part of what some folks call a "roaming network." Other folks call this an "extended network using Ethernet", and there are other terms as well.

     

    It seems that it's setup OK?

    It is, if you used the setup wizard to configure the device. You can confirm by using AirPort Utility to go back in and look at the settings for the second AirPort.

     

    But I do have another question. Does anyone that has access to the wifi and airport utility have the ability to change settings

    Yes, if you only used one password when you originally set up the first AirPort Extreme. Anyone connected to the wireless can access the settings for either AirPort in AirPort Utility.

     

    No, if you set up a separate "Base Station" or device password for the AirPort Extreme and a separate wireless network password. If you did this, then a user could be connected to the wireless network, but they would not be able to access any of the settings for the AirPorts in AirPort Utility unless they knew the "Base Station" or "device" password.

     

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  • by J_M2,

    J_M2 J_M2 Mar 31, 2016 7:07 PM in response to Bob Timmons
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    Mar 31, 2016 7:07 PM in response to Bob Timmons

    Hi Bob

     

    Thanks again for your patience.

     

    Here's the corrected link incase anyone else is following along :  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202056

     

    Appreciate the tip about the base station password, I've just enabled it for both devices.

     

    all the best.

  • by Bob Timmons,

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons Mar 31, 2016 7:18 PM in response to J_M2
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    Mar 31, 2016 7:18 PM in response to J_M2

    Thanks for the corrected link.  We know this document well.  It has both some good and bad advice.

     

    Unfortunately, Apple has not really updated this document in almost 4 years, so the terminology and illustrations in the support documents do not track with the newer versions of AirPort Utility that have been out now for over 3 years.

     

    The 'wizard" will set up most things correctly, but if a user tries to follow the old support documents with newer versions of AirPort Utility, then confusion is great.

     

    You would think that Apple would have the means to update their support documents after 3 years.

  • by J_M2,

    J_M2 J_M2 Apr 5, 2016 7:21 AM in response to Bob Timmons
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    Apr 5, 2016 7:21 AM in response to Bob Timmons

    Hi Bob - I hope you are still watching this discussion, I have a couple questions.

     

    When we left off this discussion, I had setup a second Extreme that uses the same SSID as the base/router. I seem to be having problems with an iPad that is roughly in the physical center between the 2 devices. When using a streaming app (Sling) it is worse than if I unplug the 2nd Extreme.

     

    1. Do shared SSIDs struggle sometimes negotiating between them?

     

    2. Is it possible that I have setup the 2nd Extreme which is connected to Ethernet as a wireless extension, or is that not possible if it was connected to Ethernet during the setup?


    3.One resolve may be for me to setup the 2nd to have it's own SSID and set the iPad to forget the new one. Would I need to do a reset of the Extreme to make this change or through the Utility?

     

    4. Any other thought you might have as to why I am having this problem, or diagnostics that I should look into?

     

    thanks again!

     

    j

  • by Bob Timmons,

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons Apr 5, 2016 7:48 AM in response to J_M2
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    Apr 5, 2016 7:48 AM in response to J_M2
    1. Do shared SSIDs struggle sometimes negotiating between them?

    No, unless both access points are too close together.....in the same room or shared area, for example. But, wireless devices......iOS devices like the iPhone and iPad can have difficulties with this.

     

    iOS devices like the iPhone and iPad have little to no ability to be able to choose correctly between two different wireless access points using the same SSID. Try to keep iOS devices close to one access point or the other.  If you try to move an iOS device from an area near one access point to another area near another access point, the iOS will not usually automatically "switch" to change access points......while a Mac laptop will.

     

    So, when you are moving an iOS device from one area to another, you will need to get in the habit of temporarily turning off the WiFi on the IOS device. Then, once the iOS device is at the new location, turn the WiFi back on and the device will usually pick up a signal from the closest access point.

     

    Nature of the beast with iOS, I am afraid. 

     

    2. Is it possible that I have setup the 2nd Extreme which is connected to Ethernet as a wireless extension, or is that not possible if it was connected to Ethernet during the setup?

    Possible only if the Ethernet cable was not working during the setup. Did you confirm the setup using AirPort Utility? If the 2nd Extreme is set up to "create a wireless network" and it is in Bridge Mode, then it is set up correctly.

     

    3.One resolve may be for me to setup the 2nd to have it's own SSID and set the iPad to forget the new one.

    That is an option. But, you will need to remember to manually switch access points with other wireless devices if their location changes.


    Would I need to do a reset of the Extreme to make this change or through the Utility?

    No

  • by J_M2,

    J_M2 J_M2 Apr 5, 2016 8:01 AM in response to Bob Timmons
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    Apr 5, 2016 8:01 AM in response to Bob Timmons

    Hi Bob

     

    "Possible only if the Ethernet cable was not working during the setup. Did you confirm the setup using AirPort Utility? If the 2nd Extreme is set up to "create a wireless network" and it is in Bridge Mode, then it is set up correctly."

     

    I don't currently have it in front of me but when I check, will the AirPort Utility indicate whether it is currently setup as a wireless extension or an Ethernet extension?

     

    thanks

     

    j

  • by Bob Timmons,Helpful

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons Apr 5, 2016 1:30 PM in response to J_M2
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    Apr 5, 2016 1:30 PM in response to J_M2

    I already gave you the check(s) to confirm that the 2nd Extreme is set up correctly.  Post back when you have checked the settings.

     

    In AirPort Utility......

     

    Wireless Tab > Network Mode > Create a wireless network.

     

    Network Tab > Router Mode > Off (Bridge Mode)

     

    If you see different settings.......unlikely, but possible.....report on your findings.

  • by J_M2,

    J_M2 J_M2 Apr 5, 2016 1:29 PM in response to Bob Timmons
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    Apr 5, 2016 1:29 PM in response to Bob Timmons

    thanks, Bob. I'll let you know if it's not setup correctly.