Is OSX/Safari update (21st March16) a help or a hazard?

For the last month or so I've been grappling with a Safari issue where it freezes at just one or two particular websites, and fortunately for the time being have found a workaround for that. On my machine, Safari nonetheless remains slow and unstable, to say the least. Even a few nights ago it refused to open a number of sites I regularly use, without a lot of re-tries. I've of course attempted all the usual remedies, such as clearing of caches, plists, etc, but to no avail. With Safari, the rot really set in with the February update, in my view.

If the numbers and kinds of Safari issues reported in this and other Apple Community forums for the past four or five weeks alone is anything to go by, I'm not the only person who's all but lost faith in Apple to sort this out. (I've sent several reports to Apple about it, via http://www.apple.com/feedback). Okay, over one or two points it might not be the fault of Safari entirely, as evidence seems to show that a number of websites around the globe have made changes in the last couple of months that now make their website presentations less compatible with mainstream browsers. That kind of thing has happened in the more-distant past as well.

But what of the very latest OSX/Safari update package, the one issued on 21st March just gone? I've deliberately held back from installing it. Is it advisable to install it, given the dreadful reports from users that I'm seeing? I do my updates manually, incidentally. Would it be better to wait another month, in the hope that Apple will have woken up and done something about Safari by then? Is there, in fact, anyone in these forums, using Mavericks, Yosemite or El Capitan, and who's a daily user of Safari (and not just the odd one or two favourite websites) who can put their hand on their heart and say they've a 100% stable Safari, having performed or accepted the 21st March update?


[I guess many of you reading this have an arrangement where you allow automatic updates, rather than you doing them manually, and so you may not be aware of precisely which versions of OSX/Safari software you have on your machine at present. Clicking on Apple icon > About This Mac will give you the OSX version, and similarly, Safari > About Safari will also give you the Safari version].

Safari 9.0.3

Mavericks 10.9.5

Late 2013 iMac

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013), OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Posted on Apr 1, 2016 4:47 AM

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Apr 1, 2016 6:53 AM in response to carefulowner

I use Safari on a daily basis, often for about 12 hours a day, and I have not had any problems with it. The update to version 9.1 has been smooth. Below are links to articles which may help with websites loading.


Safari - Unsupported third-party add-ons may cause Safari to unexpectedly quit or have performance issues


Safari doesn't load a page or webpage items are missing


Safari/other browsers – Website not loading

Apr 1, 2016 7:08 AM in response to Eric Root

Those have been tried weeks and weeks ago. None of them have been of any use.


I don't have or use any unsupported add-ons or extensions. Neither do I run any antimalware that could foul things up. I don't visit weird, dodgy websites; I generally keep to popular, well-vetted sites. I've always run a pretty clean machine, and yet Safari has been awful since around mid-February.


The question has to be asked 'Why is it that so many users are reporting very similar problems with Safari and yet you, apparently, have none?'

Apr 1, 2016 7:37 AM in response to Eric Root

Hi,

I do not have any extensions. I have removed all website data (Only Apple.com listed) I have cleared all history, and cache.

Everything worked fine until I did the upgrade. I have held off doing upgrade on my iPad as everything is working on that for now!


OS release 10.11.4

Late 2013 Mac (purchased May 2015)

Safari 9.1


I have reported my problem to Apple Support as a bug.


I have tried everything, every one who has posted has kindly suggested, but Continue to get message that server where this page is located is not responding.

I have managed to get onto this discussions.apple.com and Facebook works. Every other website I have tried gives the same message.

Apr 1, 2016 7:51 AM in response to WWimac2015

Do you perform your OSX/Safari/other updates manually, or do you just let them happen in the background each time? Have been wondering whether any differences in code on a given machine might result if the order in which updates were applied were different to those intended by the Apple developers. Have also been wondering whether the developers have in recent months checked that ALL changes to OSX/Safari work consistently on all three of the latest versions of OSX (and not just on El Capitan). After all, some of these malfunctions come and go.


Yeh, as far as I'm concerned, I've done all the right things, obeyed all the sensible rules, kept my nose clean, and yet am plagued with a permanent Safari problem. A dreadful advert for Apple, IMO.

Apr 1, 2016 8:47 AM in response to carefulowner

Hi, I have done them manually, but when prompted as available from the APP store.

I have just spent 1 hour on the phone to support - They could not do remote access as they say that was not working.

Lady talked me through booting in safe (CMD R on boot up) mode and then updating the OS which would reload 10.10. System tried to verify machine with apple, but of-course as I cannot access any websites it was not possible to do this and message said contact Apple Support.

She then advised to reboot with CMD/ALT/R on boot up. This took ages but end result was the same. I have now been told to either travel to Bristol (nearest store an hour away), or they can come and collect, or I can try a different network. My iPad works fine in my existing home WiFi, so I am not convinced going next door to my neighbours will make any difference, but she says I need to try on another network first.

So I have scheduled a call in the morning, and will try next door. Watch this space.😠

Apr 2, 2016 4:37 AM in response to carefulowner

Hi,

I took my return call this morning - I am assuming you might have you tried the Free phone number 0800 107 6285 from landlines.


They did a remote dial in and checked all running correctly and Diagnostic reports did not show up anything else sinister - so for now I seem to be fully resolved and running fine.


I mentioned I had a friend with router connected via wired Ethernet. Also having problems and that there were several posts on the forums expressing concern with latest upgrade. He said the sort of things that would be checked are what you have done, but they would also want to try iMac on a different network. Also, to have the router re-set? With system issues in general. He said it is also worth trying to reset the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac, and a reset NVRAM on your Mac.


HOWEVER, I am certainly not an expert - I have been a Microsoft User for 25 years, but only went over to the other side last May! - so not sure if any of this is useful or anything you should do without seeking further advice for your machine. Just thought I would mention your situation whilst talking to them.


I hope that you soon get a solution - Good luck.

Apr 2, 2016 6:06 AM in response to WWimac2015

"...... so for now I seem to be fully resolved and running fine."


Are you absolutely sure of that? Try navigating around amazon.co.uk or amazon.com for, say, 30 mins, and see if you experience the ubiquitous freezing.


I find the comments from the Apple techies who assisted you very, very unconvincing. Why on earth would rebooting or resetting my router have any effect on what is essentially a browser software problem? A router doesn't function at that level; the router passes internet packets transparently, it's not aware of which browser you're using. And anyway, how is that it's just amazon and one or two other websites where the issue occurs? All other websites are fine, so it's not a general DNS resolution problem or anything of that kind.


As for resetting the SMC and/or the NVRAM, I think Apple just trot that one out when they're lost for any other explanation. All I can say is that, if they happen to be correct about the SMC, etc., then an awful lot of people are having pretty much the self same issue, and all simultaneously! And that includes people using other browsers and other platforms!


I'm sure there'll be very many other Mac users in these forums who'll echo my thoughts on this response by Apple. Are Apple seriously suggesting that, for those of us afflicted by the freezing and beachballing, the cause is our various networks and/or our routers? Absolute tosh!

Apr 2, 2016 6:07 AM in response to carefulowner

Try a restart.


Do a backup, using either Time Machine or a cloning program, to ensure files/data can be recovered. Two backups are better than one.


Try setting up another admin user account to see if the same problem continues. If Back-to-My Mac is selected in System Preferences, the Guest account will not work. The intent is to see if it is specific to one account or a system wide problem. This account can be deleted later.


Isolating an issue by using another user account


If the problem is still there, try booting into the Safe Mode using your normal account. Disconnect all peripherals except those needed for the test. Shut down the computer and then power it back up after waiting 10 seconds. Immediately after hearing the startup chime, hold down the shift key and continue to hold it until the gray Apple icon and a progress bar appear. The boot up is significantly slower than normal. This will reset some caches, forces a directory check, and disables all startup and login items, among other things. When you reboot normally, the initial reboot may be slower than normal. If the system operates normally, there may be 3rd party applications which are causing a problem. Try deleting/disabling the third party applications after a restart by using the application un-installer. For each disable/delete, you will need to restart if you don't do them all at once.

Safe Mode


Safe Mode - Mavericks


Apr 2, 2016 6:29 AM in response to Eric Root

I've long ago tried some of those things. However, I think it unnecessary to uninstall the two apps I use; they're popular and highly reliable apps and would involve a considerable amount of work to reinstate; there are limits to what I'm prepared to do. In any event, I think you're forgetting that Activity Monitor has identified the problem as being one that involves the browser and website. As I keep pointing out, the problem that I have isn't there if I keep to a Safari fontsize of 14 or less. Go figure. The AM report, and the evidence generally, points to an incompatibility issue of the browser with the website. I can't see how anyone could argue otherwise. Of course, with other people's experiences there may be other factors involved. Mine fortunately isn't that catastrophic - at least, not yet - and by using the aforementioned workaround I can browse okay and very rarely encounter the beachball, and then only momentarily.

Apr 2, 2016 7:38 AM in response to Eric Root

I've taken a closer look at Apple's description of the main changes made to Safari with the update of 21st March. If you normally do the updates manually, you can see a few details prior to performing the download(s) by doing Apple icon > Software Update, waiting for the Apps Store to respond, and then clicking on 'More' when the individual available updates are shown.


Interestingly, for 21st March, the changes to Safari are, apparently:


1. An updated version of WebKit with enhanced support for images and CSS.

2. Improvements to the reliability and performance of Web Inspector.

3. Prevention of Javascript dialogs from blocking access to other webpages.


Perhaps this does represent some addressing of the recent issues with Safari that so many people have been experiencing?


To date, I've never known what WebKit is all about, but according to Wikipedia:


"WebKit is a layout engine software component for rendering webpages in web browsers. It powers Apple's Safari web browser, and a fork of the project is used by Chromium-based browsers, such as Google Chrome and Opera".


All of this looks relevant, I must say.

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