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Q: Needed iOS operating system forums?

Yes we have iOS Apps, and individual App forums for iOS, but no iOS Using forum like there is for Mac OS X. 

 

Threads such as these appear:

 

Ability to record iOS screen broken in 10.11.4 ?!

 

And people want to know if features of iOS is broken or differently implemented with a new iOS, or if they can sync to a new iOS before upgrading.

 

This is especially the case when you have automatic messages trying to force you to update to a newer iOS every time there is a new release.

 

Please provide individual iOS forums from 1 to 9 in whatever grouping you think would help.

Posted on Apr 9, 2016 12:33 PM

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  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Apr 9, 2016 1:05 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 9, 2016 1:05 PM in response to a brody

    Has apple ever taken our advice what forums to have?

     

    R

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Apr 9, 2016 1:08 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 9, 2016 1:08 PM in response to a brody

    I'm not that well versed on iOS since I use my ipad mostly for reading and watching TV channels on TV (but that should change since I just got a new Pro and am determined to learn it!) - however, from what I understand is that the iOS contains slight differences for an iPad vs. an iPhone, for instance. So, the implementation or use of something in particular may be slightly different for an iPad user vs. an iPhone user. Unlike various Mac OS versions (which exhibit the same behavior no matter which Mac has the particular version installed), that is why I assumed the iOS was addressed within the "using iPad" forum for instance.  And, since Apple pushes you to update (unless you turn it off, the new version is downloaded and installed automatically), I think they feel that one should/must be current.

     

    In fact, I saw something that I had not seen before when I was checking warranty terms: they now include verbiage to the effect that Apple will help you if you have the current OS (or iOS) version installed, but not with previous versions.

  • by ChitlinsCC,

    ChitlinsCC ChitlinsCC Apr 9, 2016 1:28 PM in response to babowa
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    Apr 9, 2016 1:28 PM in response to babowa

    babowa wrote:

     

    I'm not that well versed on iOS since I use my ipad mostly for reading and watching TV channels on TV (but that should change since I just got a new Pro and am determined to learn it!) - however, from what I understand is that the iOS contains slight differences for an iPad vs. an iPhone, for instance. So, the implementation or use of something in particular may be slightly different for an iPad user vs. an iPhone user. Unlike various Mac OS versions (which exhibit the same behavior no matter which Mac has the particular version installed), that is why I assumed the iOS was addressed within the "using iPad" forum for instance.  And, since Apple pushes you to update (unless you turn it off, the new version is downloaded and installed automatically), I think they feel that one should/must be current.

     

    In fact, I saw something that I had not seen before when I was checking warranty terms: they now include verbiage to the effect that Apple will help you if you have the current OS (or iOS) version installed, but not with previous versions.

    This should save the shareholders much $$$ as the Knowledge required for support personnel will be constrained to current OSes ONLY (implied... by NOT being stated?) - and should prevent much of Level elevation to those folk that would have the knowledge.

    As a shareholder, I like it... as a user, not so much.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Apr 9, 2016 3:30 PM in response to ChitlinsCC
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    Apr 9, 2016 3:30 PM in response to ChitlinsCC

    I had forgotten to include the excerpts (this is from the Applecare for iMac terms) and I missed one point about the older OS:

     

    3.3 Technical Support

    During the Coverage Period, Apple will provide you with access to telephone and web-based technical support resources. Technical support may include assistance with installation, launch, configuration, troubleshooting, and recovery (except for data recovery), including storing, retrieving, and managing files; interpreting system error messages; and determining when hardware service is required. Apple will provide support for the then-current version of the supported software, and the prior Major Release. For purposes of this section, "Major Release" means a significant version of software that is commercially released by Apple in a release number format such as "1.0" or "2.0" and which is not in beta or pre-release form. The scope of technical support provided to you will vary according to your Plan.

     

     

    4.2 Technical Support. The Plan does not include:

    Issues that could be resolved by upgrading software to the then current version;

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Apr 9, 2016 8:14 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 9, 2016 8:14 PM in response to a brody

    Unlike OS X where users can be legitimately using a variety of versions and can move back and forth iOS is a closed system that does not allow this to happen and Apple makes it a point to move as many people as they can to newer versions. Having a forum for iPhone OS 1.x (it wasn't called iOS back then) would be pretty silly as you would need to have a person still running that with a question and another person running it to answer the question. That would be a pretty lonely forum.

     

    There is far less you can do with the OS on iDevices than on OS X and Macs. This type of division of forums hasn't been needed since 2007, I don't really see the need for it now and can see it causing more confusion than helping in any manner.

  • by a brody,

    a brody a brody Apr 11, 2016 7:00 PM in response to deggie
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    Apr 11, 2016 7:00 PM in response to deggie

    Well there are some people with iDevices that can't be upgraded to current versions. 

     

    I.e. iPhone 4S, which I just found refurbished I pray is not yet on iOS 9 because I hear of the issues with texting.  I'm getting it on Friday, so we'll see how far advanced it is.

     

    I.e. my original iPad can't be upgraded beyond iOS 5.1.1.

     

    Not everyone buys the newest fangled device the moment it is released either.

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Apr 11, 2016 7:11 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 11, 2016 7:11 PM in response to a brody

    Yes, I'm quite aware of that as I have frequented the iDevice forums since they have been around. But iDevices are more limited by hardware rather than the OS which is why there have never been forums for the iOS versions since they were first released in 2007. Why would it be necessary to change that now. All one has to do is indicate which iDevice model they are using and then which version of iOS they have installed. But since Apple moves people faster to new versions with iOS and doesn't allow going backwards having forums for the iOS version would just be confusing. The system they have now works just fine.

     

    I know someone with a 4s running iOS 9.3.1 and they are not having the text issue.

  • by ChitlinsCC,

    ChitlinsCC ChitlinsCC Apr 11, 2016 7:18 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 11, 2016 7:18 PM in response to a brody

    I agree 100% with deggie... although I thought as you do at first - makes most sense to have it as is.

    [ deggie, remember this one! ]

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Apr 11, 2016 7:19 PM in response to ChitlinsCC
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    Apr 11, 2016 7:19 PM in response to ChitlinsCC

    I'm archiving it as we speak.

  • by a brody,

    a brody a brody Apr 18, 2016 3:35 PM in response to deggie
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    Apr 18, 2016 3:35 PM in response to deggie

    That's good to hear.  I am kind of infuriated that without my wife's knowledge she has suddenly been updated,  On such a small screen as the 5s which she has, it is easy to hit the wrong updater response button.  Another gripe of mine, we need an update notification off switch

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Apr 18, 2016 4:27 PM in response to a brody
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    Apr 18, 2016 4:27 PM in response to a brody

    FWIW, I do not have anything "automatic" authorized/ticked, yet Apple, in their infinite wisdom, have decided to download any iOS update despite that fact. I generally go to Settings and delete the download until I'm ready to do it when I want to do it. 9 times out of 10 this works; occasionally, it'll download it again without my knowledge. Stuff like that is what riles me about iOS - it's my device and I should be able to control its behavior.

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Apr 18, 2016 5:41 PM in response to babowa
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    Apr 18, 2016 5:41 PM in response to babowa

    Glad my iPhone 4 will not run any thing greater than 7.1.2.

     

    There are some work-arounds.  Block on your router.

     

    ios 9 automatic download making me furious

     

    & the fact that you may not be able downgrade once you find the upgrade doesn't work for your.

     

    R

  • by bobseufert,

    bobseufert bobseufert Apr 18, 2016 6:22 PM in response to babowa
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    Apr 18, 2016 6:22 PM in response to babowa

    In three years of use I have never had anything automatically downloaded to my iPad. I don't even get badge notifications that one is available.

    I'm borrowing a hp laptop that feels the need to update every other time I turn it off. I doubt automatic downloads are unique to IOS devices. Even if it was it's hardly the reason for the confusion of another Forum.

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Apr 19, 2016 11:17 AM in response to babowa
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    Apr 19, 2016 11:17 AM in response to babowa

    I update when one is available so I don't get the messages and I've only had once where it updated overnight (it will only do this when connected to a charger and on a WiFi connection). Despite claims that OS X is becoming like iOS, they are two very different operating systems and any comparisons fail. iOS is under a far, far greater threat of outside attack than OS X and Apple has designed it with security as the ultimate goal. Part of that security is constant security patches which unlike OS X are not issued as a separate item. Apple also has no accessible file system, which partially is why you cannot roll back the OS. Apple does have the capability to actually download and update the iPhone but I've only seen that done one time.

     

    For those who want to be able to block updates, notices, roll back, etc., there is an an OS available to you that will accomplish your mission called Android. To a similar extent you can also go with a Windows mobile phone. You don't have to worry about updates because it is likely you will never see one the entire time you own your device. You can roll back each one although their aren't many choices with Windows and you will cause problems doing so.

     

    Despite all the feedback in the world I seriously doubt Apple will make any changes to the iOS world. Well, perhaps they will give an option to turn off the nag button if enough people complain. They will never change the blocking of rolling back and those who whine about that would be better served to research a different smartphone for their next purchase.

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