William Frankeberger
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Q: Custom Framerates No Longer Available???

Custom Framerates No Longer Available???

 

I had a movie scanned for editing in Final Cut.  The movie was originally shot at 18 frames per second, and it was scanned at 18fps.  However, there is no Custom setting for this speed in Final Cut (Pro x 10.2.3). It offers only pre-selected frame rates.

 

So, if I go with  23.98, the image comes out crisp and clear, but it is... STEP PRINTED! Every 3rd frame is DUPLICATED!  Of course this looks jittery.

 

Is there any way to customize a non-standard frame rate.  (Of course, 18fps was VERY standard... back in the day!)

Posted on Apr 23, 2016 3:16 PM

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  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 23, 2016 3:26 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 3:26 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    No custom frame rates I'm afraid. Compressir might do a better job of frame rate conversion.

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 23, 2016 3:32 PM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Apr 23, 2016 3:32 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

    But then...how do I edit?  Somehow I need to get the film into Final Cut at the proper frame rate.

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H Apr 23, 2016 3:32 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 3:32 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    What Tom said. Use Compressor.

     

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    Test a short, representative section with different quality settings in the Retiming section of the Inspector.

     

    Good luck.

     

    Russ

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 23, 2016 3:50 PM in response to Russ H
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    Apr 23, 2016 3:50 PM in response to Russ H

    I'm scratching my head over these answers.  What good is Compressor?  I don't want to change the frame rate—and the movie is already a Quick Time Movie and editable, but it was scanned at the proper original camera speed of 18fps.  I don't want to "retime" it because then it will go slower.  It goes at the correct "speed" now, but because Final Cut requires it to be imported according to given frame rates, it is either automatically changed to whatever it wants, or I change it; either way it's not good.

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 23, 2016 4:10 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 4:10 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    Maybe my writing is poor.  I don't want to convert this video to a different frame rate, hence I see no purpose in using Compressor.  I want to edit it as it is, in its original state of 18fps.

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 23, 2016 4:27 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 4:27 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    YYou need to convert the  18fps to a standard frame rate. 24 might easiest.

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 23, 2016 4:28 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 4:28 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    YYou have to convert it if you want to work with i in FCP and its confirming is not doing an adequate job.

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 23, 2016 4:55 PM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Apr 23, 2016 4:55 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

    Ech.  I DID convert it to 24fps—and like I said, Final Cut then STEP PRINTS it, duplicating every 3rd frame.  THAT is NO GOOD.  It creates a stutter.

  • by Russ H,

    Russ H Russ H Apr 23, 2016 5:02 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 5:02 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    Got it.

     

    If you have Compressor – or something similar in the way of compression applications – you can try some more sophisticated frame rate conversion methods.Then output an import into FCP and edit.

     

    Russ

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 23, 2016 5:19 PM in response to Russ H
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    Apr 23, 2016 5:19 PM in response to Russ H

    I do have Compressor, but... what do you mean sophisticated frame rates?  What are you suggesting to do that might keep the movie running at the same speed (it's a 5 minute movie and it should continue to be a 5 minute movie) without duplicating frames?

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 23, 2016 6:15 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 23, 2016 6:15 PM in response to William Frankeberger
    I DID convert it to 24fps

     

    Converted it how?What application? or do you mean you let FCP try to conform the media in a project? That's not converting the media. Converting means changing the frame rate of the media using an application that is designed to do this, like Compressor.

  • by William Frankeberger,

    William Frankeberger William Frankeberger Apr 25, 2016 2:31 PM in response to Tom Wolsky
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    Apr 25, 2016 2:31 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

    Hmmm.  I really must work on my technical writing skills...  OK, let me try this again:

     

    I have a movie that ran at 18fps. 

     

    I had it scanned at 18fps. 

     

    Now I want to edit it... AT 18FPS. 

     

    But

     

    Final Cut will not let me do that.  Final Cut REQUIRES that either I choose one of six frame rates (NONE of which are 18fps), OR if I let it default to "Set based on first video clip", FINAL CUT converts the movie from 18fps to 23.98fps.

     

    Which I do NOT want.

     

    I want to STOP any frame-rate conversion by Final Cut!

     

    Now...  there are people who professionally restore early cinema.  In early cinema, you run into all sorts of odd frame rates, and except for an experiment or two by Edison, NONE OF THEM ARE ABOVE about 20fps.  You have 12.5fps (some early Max Linder movies); most of Melies' films run around 14fps.  I think Keaton ran his movies between 18fps and 20fps. 

     

    SO, if Final Cut "Pro" cannot accommodate these frame rates, then it is USELESS as a "professional" editing tool for real professionals. 

     

    No? 

     

    So, any of you have a "work around" for this?

     

    C'mon Apple, whatsa' matta' yo?

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 25, 2016 2:36 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 25, 2016 2:36 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    No. Nobody used those frame rates for almost a century.  What are you going to do with video at those frame rates? How are you going to deliver it?

  • by Tom Wolsky,

    Tom Wolsky Tom Wolsky Apr 25, 2016 2:50 PM in response to William Frankeberger
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    Apr 25, 2016 2:50 PM in response to William Frankeberger

    Nnone of the editing software I know can edit video at those frame rates, none from Apple, Adobe, or Avid.

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