mac keyboard does not comply with ISO standards

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Have you considered buying a new keyboard that meets your needs better?

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Are you saying you have an ISO keyboard you like? But its modifier keys do not map the way you expect (I'm assuming a-z, 0-9, etc... still work, and it is just command, option, shift, control, caps lock and labeled function keys are are having trouble with).

But that will not address everything. For other mappings you may need to get a keyboard remapping utility such as "Ukulele for Mac" (Google will find it), or maybe "Karabiner" (again Google will find it). Some things can be done using hotkey mapping utility. There are lot of those.

Personally I like BetterTouchTool, partially because I use a Trackpad and BTT enhances the trackpad experience, but it just happens to have hotkey mapping and window snapping features I like. I also use Karabiner, but then again, I like my Mac keyboards just the way they are. Keyboards are a very personal thing. I know there are people that do not like the keyboards I like, and I've been using keyboards going back to the 70's and keypunch machines, and teletypes (which were also not Microsoft influenced ISO keyboards).

What do you think is non-compliant? As far as I can tell, Apple follows the ISO (ISO/IEC 9995-2) standard.

I have been using an Apple keyboard attached to an iMac to write file system code for Linux, AIX, Solaris, and Windows for the past 11 years (I've already mentioned some of the early keyboards I've used; in the middle it was mostly VT100/200/300 family of terminal keyboards, and Digitital Equipment Corporation VAX and Alpha workstation keyboards).

Again it is a personal preference. You are used to what you are used to. What is worse is being forced to switch your primary editor. At least I can use that editor on all of the above platforms and my Mac.

Hopefully you can use one of the key modifier features and/or utilities to customize your keyboard to your liking.

Personally because of my past history with keyboards, I think what Microsoft created is lousy.

sinanto wrote:

But Apple does not. Maybe in English, they do. But in Turkish, they don't.

Could you tell us which of the 3 Turkish layouts provided by Apple you are talking about and provide some specific examples of how it does not comply with something at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995 ?

sinanto wrote:

On Apple’s keyboard X, W and Q are in very awkward places. Changed +, *, <, > and most importantly both types of brackets which I have to use extensively in coding are very difficult to reach. To type curly brackets you have to hit 3 keys, it’s insane.

Thanks, I see the problem now. The keyboard Apple calls "Turkish" is different from standard Turkish F. I have no idea why, I guess all you can do is ask them to change it. It seems like it would be useful to make your modified version available for download by other users.

sinanto wrote:

I use Turkish F keyboard, ISO/IEC 9995.

On Apple’s keyboard X, W and Q are in very awkward places. Changed +, *, <, > and most importantly both types of brackets which I have to use extensively in coding are very difficult to reach. To type curly brackets you have to hit 3 keys, it’s insane.

The above was helpful in clarifying what your issue was, thanks.

As Apple's own keyboard is clearly not ideal for you you might want to consider using a genuine PC i.e. Windows PC keyboard instead. Apple are actually very helpful with their keyboard support and provide support for PC keyboards as well as their own 'Mac' keyboards. Apple do list support for what they describe as 'Turkish QWERTY - PC'. I do not know if this is what you are looking for though, have a look at it and check for yourself before buying another keyboard. It is also possible to create custom keyboard layouts. The following article whilst aimed at a Russian issue would in principle also guide you in creating a custom Turkish layout.

http://www.dotkam.com/2011/01/04/edit-keyboard-layout-on-mac/

The following is also helpful.

http://superuser.com/questions/665494/how-to-make-a-custom-keyboard-layout-in-ma cos

You seem to have missed the part where the OP said he had already customized his layout using Ukelele. His point is that he shouldn't have to do this, Apple's layout should conform to the normal Turkish standard. He's right.

You might want to take a look at the layout for the keyboard he wants to use, Turkish F, to better appreciate the large difference between that and QWERTY and the potential difficulty of switching to the latter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Turkish_.28F-keyboard.29

Yes your right I missed he had tried Ukelele, however there is still a point to my post.

I am suggesting using Ukelele to create a custom keyboard layout for use with a Windows PC Turkish F keyboard. Clearly Apple only do a Turkish Qwerty layout and also only provide themselves a Turkish Qwerty PC layout.

E.g. this keyboard http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/turkish-f-keyboard-black-usb.asp

John Lockwood wrote:

Clearly Apple only do a Turkish Qwerty layout and also only provide themselves a Turkish Qwerty PC layout.

In fact Apple offers both qwerty (Q) and non-qwerty (F) Turkish hardware keyboards

How to identify keyboard localizations - Apple Support

and it supplies layouts for both of them plus one more (just check your system prefs/keyboard/input sources). Unfortunately the printing on the F keyboard and the layout that goes with it are non-standard. Luckily the OP doesn't look at the keys, so his Ukelele customization should do the trick if complete enough.