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Q: RAM distribution- Dual processor tray MacPro 4,1

Hi everyone.

 

I currently have a MacPro 5,1 single processor tray with 32 GB of RAM (4 x 8GB)- 3.46 GHz six core (I replaced the 2.8 GHz quad core processor it originally shipped with).

I recently purchased a MacPro 4,1 dual processor tray with 32 GB of RAM (8 x 4GB)- dual 2.26 GHz quad core, with which I'm planning to replace the single processor tray (after I update the firmware to 5,1 and swap out the processors with two 3.46 GHz).

 

I intend to move over my original 32 GB RAM to the new tray and use 16 GB of RAM from the dual tray. Is there a best/correct set of RAM distribution; 24 GB on one set and 24 GB on the other (for instance slots one 8 GB, slots two 4 GB, slots three 8 GB, slots four 4 GB), or can I place the RAM any which way?

 

I just hope that the RAM on the dual processor tray are 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC, like what I currently have.

 

Thanks in advance for any help!

Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5), 2.8 GHz Quad Core- Intel

Posted on May 5, 2016 4:30 AM

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  • by lllaass,

    lllaass lllaass May 5, 2016 5:35 AM in response to RAfBOy
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    May 5, 2016 5:35 AM in response to RAfBOy

    To install memory see:

    Mac Pro (Mid 2012 and earlier): How to remove or install memory - Apple Support

    The 2009 MP (4.1) came with 1066 MHz memory. Updating the firmware to that of a 5.1 allows running memory at 1333 MHz if 1333 MHz memory is installed.

    Sometimes mixing frequently of memory causes problems. I think if you only install 1066 memory it will run at 1066.

  • by RAfBOy,

    RAfBOy RAfBOy May 5, 2016 6:58 AM in response to lllaass
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    May 5, 2016 6:58 AM in response to lllaass

    Thanks.

    That was one of the first places I checked before I posted.

     

    However, I vaguely remember that RAM usually needed to be installed in equal pairs.

    As I have 2 types (8GB sticks and 4GB sticks- probably from different manufacturers), I want to make sure that they are installed in the correct configuration.

     

    It's worth mentioning that I haven't received the dual processor tray with the 8x4GB RAM yet. I will soon.

  • by lllaass,

    lllaass lllaass May 5, 2016 7:21 AM in response to RAfBOy
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    May 5, 2016 7:21 AM in response to RAfBOy

    When mixing memory note that you can't mix registered RDIMM) and unregistered (UDIMM) sticks

    8GB RDIMMs are also supported. The computer will not start if both types of DIMMS are installed in the same computer. For more information, see Mac Pro (Mid 2010): Registered DIMM support.

    Mac Pro (Mid 2010): Registered DIMM support - Apple Support

    per the link in my first rely memory has to be installed in pairs or as set of three.

     

    This

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-mid-2010-westmere-how- to-upgrade-memory.html

    says the 2010 will work with either 1066 or 1333 memory but not clear if you can mix them

  • by RAfBOy,

    RAfBOy RAfBOy May 5, 2016 7:33 AM in response to lllaass
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    May 5, 2016 7:33 AM in response to lllaass

    I don't think that the RAM is RDIMM judging by the picture (I know it's small. Sorry).

    It looks like the stock Apple/Hynix RAM, but I can't be sure.

     

    s-l1600.jpg

  • by John Lockwood,

    John Lockwood John Lockwood May 5, 2016 8:29 AM in response to RAfBOy
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    May 5, 2016 8:29 AM in response to RAfBOy

    It is my understanding that the 'optimal' arrangement of memory for the Mac Pro is in 'threes' strange as that might sound although any other permutation i.e. 2s, 4s etc. will work also. Therefore 6x8 or 3x8 + 3x4 might be minutely faster. I found confirmation of this here http://macperformanceguide.com/Mac-Upgrade-MacPro-Memory.html you will see it refers to triple channel memory.

     

    I found the new URL for Apple's official document on how to upgrade the memory in the classic Mac Pro. It is here Mac Pro (Mid 2012 and earlier): How to remove or install memory - Apple Support

     

    As originally determined by OWC it is possible to fit and use more memory than Apple officially say. For a 5,1 dual processor Mac Pro the max is actually 128GB. (As pointed out by Illaass you need to upgrade the firmware for your 4,1 to make it in to a 5,1.)

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Helpful

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 5, 2016 10:31 AM in response to RAfBOy
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    May 5, 2016 10:31 AM in response to RAfBOy

    I vaguely remember that RAM usually needed to be installed in equal pairs.

    that rule is for the Mac Pro models from 2006, 2007, and 2008.

     

    The 2009 and later use a different memory organization.

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,Helpful

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 5, 2016 10:31 AM in response to John Lockwood
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    May 5, 2016 10:31 AM in response to John Lockwood

    The penalties of less than optimum triples, and the rewards of exactly the optimum triples, are small.

     

    Slots 3 and 4 on each side are "shared", and rarely, you may find combinations of DIMM that are not happy to work when both are populated.

     

    In general, you are free to install one to three DIMMs on each side, and usually four on each side, of mixed sizes, with less than a 5 percent reward or penalty in any configuration.

     

    But 16GB DIMMs are always registered, and cannot be mixed with others. (some older 8GB DIMMs are also registered).

  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot May 6, 2016 6:27 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    May 6, 2016 6:27 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

     

    In general, you are free to install one to three DIMMs on each side, and usually four on each side, of mixed sizes, with less than a 5 percent reward or penalty in any configuration.

     

    But 16GB DIMMs are always registered, and cannot be mixed with others. (some older 8GB DIMMs are also registered).

     

    I ran into a problem recently when I tried to add an 8GB DIMM to the 4th slot in my 2010 quad core Mac Pro. I had three 8GB DIMMs installed already. But they were all bought in 2012 and the new one was not a match. To get it to work, I was told that I would need to exchange one of the old ones so as to have two pairs of matching DIMMs. So I'm guessing one registered pair and one non?

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder May 6, 2016 6:42 AM in response to kahjot
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    May 6, 2016 6:42 AM in response to kahjot

    I ran into a problem with four non-identical 2GB DIMMs, where the exact DIMMs installed in slots 3 and 4 would not work there. I shuffled DIMMs from several different Mac Pro silver towers, and got some that were happy to play nice in all slots.

     

    I don't think they paired up, as another Mac Pro has an 8GB DIMM in the recommended lowest-numbered slot, and three 2GB DIMMs.

     

    I don't think mine could not have been due to Registered/Unregistered because none of them should have been registered -- they were just different makers.

     

    That is why I put so many slippery words in my description above -- three should always work, four will often work.