sschnapka

Q: Roaming network with 2 APEs connected to internet

Hi,

 

apologies if this has been discussed (I did some search but could not find anything helpful). I have the following question realted to a change in my Network topology:

 

current set-up:

- Cable modem is connected to the WAN port of my Time Capsule (3TB Tower). TC acts as DHCP unit (modem is dumb, i.e. no router)

- The LAN port of TC is connected to WAN port of APE #1 via CAT6 Ethernet.

- LAN port of APE #1 is connected to WAN port of APE #2

- LAN port of APE #2 is connected to WAN port of APE #3

- all APEs (the latest Tower models) act in Bridge mode, but create a WLAN.

 

Like this I have a roaming Network workign welll across the house.

 

New / planned set-up:

- I changed from cable to fiber to the home. So now I have a new fiber box which provide the Internet via 4 Gigabit Ethernet ports.

- The new fiber box is physically located between the TC and APE #1.

- without having to pull a new cable from the fiber box to the TC (in order to feed the Internet into the beginning of the chain) I was thinking about this:

- run 1 Ethernet cable from fiberbox to the TC and feed the Internet via another Ethernet to the WAN port of APE #1 into the remaining chain.

- Switch the TC into Bridge mode to have the fiber box doing the DHCP

 

However, now the TC is no longer directly connected to the APE chain.

QUESTIONS:

- will I still be able to have ONE roaming Network, or will I end up with 2 Networks, i.e. 1 created by TC and 1 driven by the APEs?

- will all Network Clients still see shared devices (e.g. Printer) on the Network?

 

Many thanks for your experts view on this.

rgds,

Sascha

Posted on May 9, 2016 5:34 AM

Close

Q: Roaming network with 2 APEs connected to internet

  • All replies
  • Helpful answers

  • by Bob Timmons,Solvedanswer

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons May 10, 2016 12:02 AM in response to sschnapka
    Level 10 (105,018 points)
    Wireless
    May 10, 2016 12:02 AM in response to sschnapka

    - run 1 Ethernet cable from fiberbox to the TC.......

    - Switch the TC into Bridge mode to have the fiber box doing the DHCP

    That should work.  (See Note below)

     

    feed the Internet via another Ethernet to the WAN port of APE #1 into the remaining chain.

    That should work. (See Note below)

     

    However, now the TC is no longer directly connected to the APE chain.

    Since the TC is connected to the same Ethernet switch on the fiber product to which APE #1 is also connected.....the TC and AE #1 are, in effect, also connected with each other.

     

    will I still be able to have ONE roaming Network,

    Yes

     

    - will all Network Clients still see shared devices (e.g. Printer) on the Network?

    Yes, assuming that the fiber box is operating correctly.

     

    Important Note.......Your plan to have the TC and all the APE's in Bridge Mode should work.....BUT....Apple has a different idea about how a roaming network should be configured. See the information about a Roaming Network in this Apple support document:

     

    Wi-Fi base stations: Extending the range of your wireless network by adding additional Wi-Fi base stations - Apple Suppo…

     

    Specifically......Apple would tell you to connect an Ethernet cable from the fiber product to the WAN port on the TC and set up the TC to handle DHCP and NAT....just as it does now.  Then....everything else would be set up just as you have it now.....with an Ethernet connection from a LAN port on the TC to the WAN on APE #1, LAN on APE#1 to WAN on APE#2, etc.

     

    If you follow Apple's advice......you will have a Double NAT error on your network.....which Apple will tell you to ignore. How well your network will work with a Double NAT issue is open to question.

     

    I'm not recommending that you follow Apple's advice......just pointing out that Apple has some different and interesting ideas about how to do things, which sometimes go against traditional networking rules. 

  • by sschnapka,

    sschnapka sschnapka May 10, 2016 12:05 AM in response to Bob Timmons
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Wireless
    May 10, 2016 12:05 AM in response to Bob Timmons

    Many thanks for this comprehensive feedback. I will try your recommendations to have the Fiber box taking over the DHCP & NAT, since I do NOT want to keep the double NAT error.

  • by sschnapka,

    sschnapka sschnapka May 10, 2016 3:42 AM in response to Bob Timmons
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Wireless
    May 10, 2016 3:42 AM in response to Bob Timmons

    Sorry, but one more question on this: When I unplug the first Airport Extreme (APE #1) from the TC and plug it into the Fiber box, would you recommend a normal power cycle, or do I need to hard reset the APE #1 and then use the Airport Utility to set it up "fresh" (Bridge mode etc.)

     

    Just want to be sure before I completely Change my currently working solution.

     

    thanks!

  • by Bob Timmons,Helpful

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons May 10, 2016 6:41 AM in response to sschnapka
    Level 10 (105,018 points)
    Wireless
    May 10, 2016 6:41 AM in response to sschnapka

    I would power off everything on the network except the TC, which will be slowly blinking amber at the time

    Change the setting on the TC to Off (Bridge Mode) and let it restart and run a minute

    Then, power off the TC

    Make the wiring changes as needed

    Power up the fiber box and let it run a few minutes

    Power up the TC and let it run a minute

    Power up APE #1 and let it run a minute

    Same for APE #2

    Same for APE #3

    Power up other devices one at a time, about a minute apart

  • by sschnapka,

    sschnapka sschnapka May 11, 2016 1:40 PM in response to Bob Timmons
    Level 1 (4 points)
    Wireless
    May 11, 2016 1:40 PM in response to Bob Timmons

    Just wanted to quickly report back that I followed your advice and the new network works perfectly.

     

    many thanks for this comprehensive support!

  • by Bob Timmons,

    Bob Timmons Bob Timmons May 11, 2016 1:46 PM in response to sschnapka
    Level 10 (105,018 points)
    Wireless
    May 11, 2016 1:46 PM in response to sschnapka

    Nice work!  That should be quite an impressive network!