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Q: El Capitan always asking for Authorization or Passwords!

hi all.  Just got used newer iMac, mid 2011. 27", i5 2.7, 4g ram, 12,2, first use

of El Capitan from Snow Leopard.

So frustrating that almost every simple task I want to do requires me to either

Authenticate or enter user name and password. EG just to move a file into

a folder, or to Trash.  Also, either after just wanting to move a file, it Copies

it!  I guess this is a User Group problem of some kind; tried Disk Utility, found

no Permissions problem, don't know what to do.  This is not the Mac that I've

known and used since 1990!  Thanks for any help, Bob, prisoner of El Capitan.

iMac, OS X El Capitan (10.11.3)

Posted on May 10, 2016 8:50 PM

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  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis May 11, 2016 7:55 AM in response to thatchie
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    May 11, 2016 7:55 AM in response to thatchie

    Before acquiring a second-hand computer, you should have run Apple Diagnostics or the Apple Hardware Test, whichever is applicable.

    The first thing to do after acquiring the computer is to erase the internal drive and install a clean copy of OS X. You—not the original owner—must do that. Changes made by Apple over the years have made this seemingly straightforward task very complex.

    How you go about it depends on the model, and on whether you already own another Mac. If you're not sure of the model, enter the serial number on this page. Then find the model on this page to see what OS version was originally installed.

    It's unsafe, and may be unlawful, to use a computer with software installed by a previous owner.

    1. If you don't own another Mac

    a. If the machine shipped with OS X 10.4 or 10.5, you need a boxed and shrink-wrapped retail Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6) installation disc from the Apple Store or a reputable reseller—not from eBay or anything of the kind. If the machine is very old and has less than 1 GB of memory, you'll need to add more in order to install 10.6. Preferably, install as much memory as it can take, according to the technical specifications.

    b. If the machine shipped with OS X 10.6, you need the installation media that came with it: gray installation discs, or a USB flash drive for a MacBook Air. You should have received the media from the original owner, but if you didn't, order replacements from Apple. A retail disc, or the gray discs from another model, will not work.

    To start up from an optical disc or a flash drive, insert it, then restart the computer and hold down the C key at the startup chime. Release the key when you see the gray Apple logo on the screen.

    c. If the machine shipped with OS X 10.7 or later, you don't need media. It should start up in Internet Recovery mode when you hold down the key combination option-command-R at the startup chime. Release the keys when you see a spinning globe. Note that Mac Pro tower models older than late 2014 (with the "cheese-grater" enclosure) cannot use Internet Recovery, regardless of which OS version they shipped with. The round Mac Pro (2014 or later) can use it.

    d. Some 2010-2011 models shipped with OS X 10.6 and received a firmware update after 10.7 was released, enabling them to use Internet Recovery. If you have one of those models, you can't reinstall 10.6 even from the original media, and Internet Recovery will not work either without the original owner's Apple ID. In that case, contact Apple Support, or take the machine to an Apple Store or another authorized service provider to have the OS installed.

    2. If you do own another Mac

    If you already own another Mac that was upgraded in the App Store to the version of OS X that you want to install, and if the new Mac is compatible with it, then you can install it. Use Recovery Disk Assistant to prepare a USB device, then start up the new Mac from it by holding down the C key at the startup chime. Alternatively, if you have a Time Machine backup of OS X 10.7.3 or later on an external hard drive (not a Time Capsule or other network device), you can start from that by holding down the option key and selecting it from the row of icons that appears. Note that if your other Mac was never upgraded in the App Store, you can't use this method.

    3. Partition and install OS X

    a. If you see a lock screen when trying to start up from installation media or in Recovery mode, then a firmware password was set by the previous owner, or the machine was remotely locked via iCloud. You'll either have to contact the owner or take the machine to an Apple Store or another service provider to be unlocked. You may be asked for proof of ownership.

    b. Launch Disk Utility and select the icon of the internal drive—not any of the volume icons nested beneath it. In the  Partition tab, select the default options: a GUID partition table with one data volume in Mac OS Extended (Journaled) format. This operation will permanently remove all existing data on the drive.

    c. An unusual problem may arise if all the following conditions apply:

              OS X 10.7 or later was installed by the previous owner

              The startup volume was encrypted with FileVault

              You're booted in Recovery mode (that is, not from a 10.6 installation disc)

    In that case, you won't be able to unlock the volume or partition the drive without the FileVault password. Ask for guidance or see this ASC discussion.

    d. After partitioning, quit Disk Utility and run the OS X Installer. If you're installing a version of OS X acquired from the App Store, you will need the Apple ID and password that you used. When the installation is done, the system will automatically restart into the Migration Assistant, which will prompt you to transfer the data from another Mac, its backups, or from a Windows computer. If you have any data to transfer, this is usually the best time to do it.

    e. Run Software Update and install all available system updates from Apple. To upgrade to a major version of OS X newer than 10.6, get it from the Mac App Store. Note that you can't keep an upgraded version that was installed by the original owner. He or she can't legally transfer it to you, and without the Apple ID you won't be able to update it in Software Update or reinstall, if that becomes necessary. The same goes for any App Store products that the previous owner installed—you have to repurchase them.

    4. Other issues

    a. If the original owner "accepted" the bundled iLife applications (iPhoto, iMovie, and Garage Band) in the App Store so that he or she could update them, then they're irrevocably linked to that Apple ID and you won't be able to download them without buying them. Reportedly, Mac App Store Customer Service has sometimes issued redemption codes for these apps to second owners who asked.

    b. If the previous owner didn't deauthorize the computer in the iTunes Store under his Apple ID, you wont be able to  authorize it immediately under your ID. In that case, you'll either have to wait up to 90 days or contact iTunes Support.

    c. When trying to create a new iCloud account, you might get a failure message: "Account limit reached." Apple imposes a lifetime limit of three iCloud account setups per device. Erasing the device does not reset the limit. You can still use an iCloud account that was created on another device, but you won't be able to create a new one. Contact iCloud Support for more information. The setup limit doesn't apply to Apple ID accounts used for other services, such as the iTunes and Mac App Stores, or iMessage. You can create as many of those accounts as you like.

  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 11, 2016 1:09 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 11, 2016 1:09 PM in response to thatchie

    Thanks Linc for your information.  I'm going delve into that vast encyclopedia of possibilities and

    solutions, find a starting point and go on from there.  I'll report on my activities.  Bob

  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 12, 2016 8:44 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 12, 2016 8:44 PM in response to thatchie

    well, tried Vendor's suggestion for command-R Internet Recovery, again no changes to these roadblocks: "Modifying 'filename' requires and administrator name and password"  or "Finder wants to make changes.  Type your password to allow this"   This HD is not File encrypted, and shows 2 devices, the vendor's "Experimacs Macbook Pro" and "Mac HD".  I've tried so many System reinstalls, from Flash drive, from Time Machine backups, etc.  I feel at this point this HD, ST31000528AS, should be totally Nuked, Wiped clean, and start fresh.  I hope the vendor can work this out with me.  Any other comments out there?!  Thank you, Bob

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis May 13, 2016 6:49 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 13, 2016 6:49 PM in response to thatchie

    I'm sorry, but I can't understand your response. In Recovery mode, there is no Finder and there are no permissions. So either you weren't in Recovery mode, or you aren't describing what happened in that mode. If the procedure I outlined is too difficult for you, I suggest you get someone more experienced to help you. One option is to make a "Genius" appointment at an Apple Store.

  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 14, 2016 10:25 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    May 14, 2016 10:25 AM in response to Linc Davis

    I'll try to explain what I did and an astounding solution I found.  Again, used iMac mid-2011, El Cap 10.11.3.  Created my own Admin account.  Now, every simple action I wanted to do, such as: create a folder, rename a folder, move a file into another folder, move to desktop (would copy), etc., would generate either of these two thwarts: "Modifying 'name of file/folder' requires an Administrator  name and password. Click 'Authenticate'... OR "Finder wants to make changes.  Type your password to allow this".   So I did try to re-install El Cap from (I believe there was a program in the Applications folder?).  tried several times with no success w. Finder behavior.  So per your suggestion I did perform an Internet Recovery.  I am certain it was totally successful.  I went through the entire process, was presented with a Brand New, Clean, Basic, System.  This was (or should have been) my Very Own computer!  (no residuals or Restore partitions of previous owner of any kind)  I name My computer, create only one, Admin account...then My moment of truth.  I show the HD on my desktop, I click into the view, I right-click to create a New Folder and...****, I get those Same messages!  I authenticate, try to change name of folder from Untitled, ****! I have to Authenticate!  other notes...I certainly did scour Apple boards and Forums for answer...Vendor also was at a loss....

     

    So at this point, actually just early May 13th evening, I emailed vendor and asked to return item; (Reluctantly, had no desire to repack this 40# thing).

    And more so, I couldn't find any reasons about How this Could Happen on a clean System except perhaps, something beyond my ken, concerning "Firmware" or such about this particular hard drive being the reason.

     

    Now, what I think was astounding, fortuitous, synchronicitous was, that I continued searching Apple Forums and found within a Lion discussion about permissions, someone who had very similar problems as I did.  His suggestion (his solution) was this which I did:  Right-click on Hard Drive icon, Get Info, unlock padlock (using Admin name and Pass), then ADD myself as a User (Even though I already Was there as System!), I just clicked the + button, then "I" showed up as my computer name followed by (Me).  THEN... I test, I create an Untitled Folder, I change its name, I move a file into it...All unhampered by Any Permission Issues whatsoever!  It Freakin' Worked, and of course, I don't know why or how, He didn't know why or how, and AFAIK, Apple seemingly has little to say or comment about this issue.

     

    Linc, I hope you have comments about this, would like to know if you've encountered this before in all your experience.

    It does really bother me though, that if I had gone through many of your solid and proven methods of diagnosis and solutions, that I would Still have my problems, and that, this off-the-wall, non customary solution, might be the only resolution in my case.

     

    Thanks very much, Bob B

  • by Linc Davis,Solvedanswer

    Linc Davis Linc Davis May 14, 2016 2:15 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 14, 2016 2:15 PM in response to thatchie

    The system was behaving normally after the clean installation. The top-level "Macintosh HD" folder should not be changed at all, and you would have to enter an administrator password to do so. The permissions should never be changed for any reason; in fact, no permissions should be changed unless you're doing something very unusual and advanced, which you aren't.

     

    By searching this site, you can find any sort of computer-illiterate fake advice that you want to find. It's the stock in trade of ASC. Despite its misleading name, ASC is just a public discussion forum where anyone can say anything, no matter how wrong it is.

     

    The right place for files that you create is your home folder, represented by a house icon in the sidebar of a Finder window.

  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 15, 2016 3:18 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    May 15, 2016 3:18 PM in response to Linc Davis

    I just have one lingering question... you said: "The system was behaving normally after the clean installation."  I don't understand then why I still could not do anything without entering passwords. I can't see that as being normal. Immediately after starting clean, I just tried to create a folder.

     

    "The top-level "Macintosh HD" folder should not be changed at all".   "The permissions should never be changed for any reason"  I had not done any of these things.

     

    I don't expect you to answer, but I hope you will edify this sincere Level 1 user. Thank You.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis May 15, 2016 4:24 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 15, 2016 4:24 PM in response to thatchie

    I don't understand then why I still could not do anything without entering passwords.

    It wasn't that you couldn't do anything. You couldn't make changes at the top level of the startup volume without entering a password. That is, as I wrote earlier, normal.

  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 15, 2016 5:19 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    May 15, 2016 5:19 PM in response to Linc Davis

    After a clean reinstall, and I am the Admin and the only user, still, WHY do I have to enter a password to create a simple folder??  Am I NOT at the top level of the startup volume?  If not, WHO is?   I  just  want  to be  able  to use my computer  without  having  to enter  a  name  and password  for  the most  basic actions.   Respectfully, Linc, could you tell me, Level 1 user, Bob how I can effect that?  Thanks!

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis May 15, 2016 5:57 PM in response to thatchie
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    May 15, 2016 5:57 PM in response to thatchie
  • by thatchie,

    thatchie thatchie May 15, 2016 6:49 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    May 15, 2016 6:49 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Ok, it's getting late, heading back to my little house on the sidebar, humming a Kenny Loggins tune...

    Thanks Linc, you're the bets!

  • by joerollerblade,

    joerollerblade joerollerblade Sep 10, 2016 11:48 PM in response to thatchie
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    Sep 10, 2016 11:48 PM in response to thatchie

    Thank you Bob!  Your solution caused me burst out in joy! 

     

    I was also being driven crazy by the same quirkiness you described. Such behavior I had never encountered until upgrading from Mountain Lion to El Capitan. While Link's general caution may be well and good for one attempting to dabble at the root level of the OS boot drive, I was treated to this annoyance on a freshly initialized - brand new - external hard drive. By default, Disk Utility populated this new drive with the following ownership/permissions list:

    system      Read & Write

    wheel        Read & Write

    everyone   Read only

     

    Like you pointed out, as the "administrator" of my MacPro, one would think I would have no problem left-clicking and creating a new "untitled folder" without getting an authorization request. Curiously, another drive (in my MacPro) created long ago, having these listed owners: system (Read & Write), admin (Read & Write) and everyone (Read only), allows me to freely create a new folders at will.  Curiously still, other (older) drives in my MacPro (I have 4) already have "Joe(Me)" listed as an owner and I know I didn't add them manually (à la your suggestion). I guess our new leader, El Capitan, brings a stricter regiment as he shows us who's boss...   

     

    Cheers,

    Joe