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Q: Keynote's Presenter View misses animated objects in Rehearsal mode

Here's the screenshot of a part of my keynote presentation set up to Light Table mode:

 

Light Table.png

 

When in Rehearsal Mode I noticed some strange things which I couldn't find a credible explanation of, namely:

 

1. Current slide and Next slide are numbered the same (that is, Current slide showing up as No. 5 while Next slide as No. 5 too).

 

2. You can see in this screenshot that the slides Nos.5, 9, 14 (the rest with the similar behavior not shown) are populated with animated objects. However in Rehearsal Mode in addition to two slides being given No.5 as mentioned in p.1, all I see is Master of that slide which is "Empty" (i.e., I don't see these objects just the Master as prior to being populated). However the misbehavior is not consistent with some other slides with animated objects (like the slide with the graph of the bottom row on the screenshot containing yellow and red series) being visible in Rehearsal Mode?

 

Could you please explain what's wrong here?

 

Also could you confirm the issue with whatever version of Keynote you're using?

Mac OS X (10.7.5), MacBook Pro 15.4 mid-2012

Posted on Jul 2, 2016 6:59 AM

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Q: Keynote's Presenter View misses animated objects in Rehearsal mode

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  • by Gary Scotland,Apple recommended

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 3, 2016 2:44 AM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 3, 2016 2:44 AM in response to scrutinizer82

    Current slide and Next slide are numbered the same

     

    If you have set presenter view to show current slide and next slide,  then slides containing builds will show two views of the same slide, (not two separate slides).

     

    As below, presenter view is showing two stages of a build sequence of a single slide,

    the slide number indicates that two different views of slide 5 are being displayed,

    the left preview is showing the current view, the right preview is showing what will be the next build in the sequence:

     

     

    Screen Shot 2016-07-03 at 10.27.14.png

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 3, 2016 4:06 AM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 3, 2016 4:06 AM in response to Gary Scotland

    Ok, thank you for clearing up the first part of the issue. What about the second part, that is when some slides (actually quite a few of them) containing objects are shown as empty in Rehearsal Mode?

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 3, 2016 4:50 AM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 3, 2016 4:50 AM in response to scrutinizer82

    What about the second part, that is when some slides (actually quite a few of them) containing objects are shown as empty in Rehearsal Mode?

    As described in my first reply, slides with builds will not show the content until they are actioned.

     

    • the point of using builds is to show the content on a slide in a sequence, and only at a time when the user wants it to be seen
    • the point of the Presenter Display is to show what the viewer sees, and to show the next event in the sequence (next build or next slide)

     

    In the example below, the Current Slide preview shows only the white background, the text has not been actioned to display yet,

    the Builds Remaining preview shows the text that will show when the build is actioned

     

    If you don't want to show an "empty slide" to your viewers,  don't use a build on the first object, only add builds on subsequent objects.

     

    Screen Shot 2016-07-03 at 12.38.11.png

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 3, 2016 5:13 AM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 3, 2016 5:13 AM in response to Gary Scotland

    1. I chose all the slides and builds to be fully automated, no manual building. Could this contribute to such behavior I described?

     

    2.

    Gary Scotland wrote:

     

    If you don't want to show an "empty slide" to your viewers,  don't use a build on the first object, only add builds on subsequent objects.

     

    Could you, please, specify, what you mean by first and subsequent objects?

     

    I'm on Keynote 5.2.

  • by Gary Scotland,Apple recommended

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 4, 2016 9:28 AM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 4, 2016 9:28 AM in response to scrutinizer82

    1. I chose all the slides and builds to be fully automated, no manual building. Could this contribute to such behavior I described?

     

    What you are seeing in Rehearse Slideshow is correct behaviour, there is nothing wrong.

    You need to familiarise with what presenter screen is showing.

     

    Presenter Screen shows the following information about each slide to the user:

    1. the number of slides in the presentation and the slide number that is currently being shown
    2. the content of the current slide
    3. the slide number of the slide to be shown next (what is shown may be a different slide or the same slide if there are builds on the slide)
    4. the content of the next slide
    5. the content of the current build being shown
    6. the content of the build that will show next

     

    Could you, please, specify, what you mean by first and subsequent objects?

    I am referring to objects that have a build atteched and the order they will appear on screen (as seen in the Build Order List)

     

    shape 1 will display first, shape 2 will display second,  etc:

    build order.png

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 7, 2016 1:42 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 7, 2016 1:42 PM in response to Gary Scotland

    It seemed to me your last response had been fully satisfying but recently I've experimented with sharing my Keynote presentation using different services, so I no longer find it to be satisfying and here's why: aside the fact that Keynote drives me nuts it repeatedly fails to upload my presentation to YouTube. Also, regarding the main subject of this thread, I tested the option of sending it to iPhoto (up-to-date as of Lion OS X). I checked it to include all builds and animations. So what I got here is fully what possibly Rehersal Mode of Presenter View sees: after importing to iPhoto I got a number of empty slides where apparently animations are supposed to be but they are not. Uploaded to Google Drive, so click the link to view these slides (organized in the right order there).

    The link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bwsy7q2Qc3TCeGd3TVJha1FLbnM&usp=sharing

    It seems to be a Keynote's shortfall, one of many. I finally updated iWork from 9.2 to 9.3 that hesitated to do for a long while, no luck.

    What do you think?

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 10, 2016 9:53 AM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 10, 2016 9:53 AM in response to scrutinizer82

    it repeatedly fails to upload my presentation to YouTube.

    Sorry can't help with that, I have never used youtube upload.

    after importing to iPhoto I got a number of empty slides where apparently animations are supposed to be but they are not.

    As explained in my previous replies, an object with a build attached (as you have described here) will not show in rehearse play or exported images.   You may personally dislike it, but what you are describing is normal behaviour for Keynote.

     

    If you post here a link to your Google Drive containing a Keynote file just with side 5, I will test can test it here.

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 10, 2016 3:56 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 10, 2016 3:56 PM in response to Gary Scotland

    Hi, Gary

     

    I'm posting a link to my entire Keynote presentation https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwsy7q2Qc3TCRUFNU0dIdWt5c1U/view?usp=sharing

     

    Also, I'd like to remind that it was created with Keynote v. 5.3 (of iWork'09). Hope there won't appear any compatibility issues playing it on your machine.

     

    On the other hand, speaking of Export to iPhoto option what's the situation the option is for for it to work as expected? I mean I checked "include all animation" or smth like that and nothing.

     

     

    Also, I did what you suggested and ticked "Mix audio", still getting two separate files as before.

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 11, 2016 12:51 PM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 11, 2016 12:51 PM in response to scrutinizer82

    Oops, just noticed I confused two threads belonging to the Keynote forum. The last sentence clearly should be my reply to Re: Is it possible to export Keynote 5 presentation to QT together with a sound-track as a single file?

     

    Placed it there to avoid bigger confusion.

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 12, 2016 2:41 PM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 12, 2016 2:41 PM in response to scrutinizer82

    I have downloaded and tested your Keynote file.

    It behaves in every way I would expect, there are no problems or unexpected behaviour. I tested the following:

    • play slideshow (I use two external 27" displays; one showing the presentation and the other showing presenter display, the order and views of presenter display are correct for the builds you have set)
    • rehearse slideshow
    • export to QT
    • export to Image
    • export to PDF
    • export to PowerPoint (rehearse slideshow in PowerPoint behaves in exactly the same manner as Keynote rehearse)
    • export to html

     

    I can't test iPhoto as it is end of life and is no longer supported in the latest Mac OS, however the same result would be achieved by exporting to images using the "Create an image from each stage of builds" option. Again this works as expected.

     

    This is a screen grab of the six Presenter Display views showing correctly the six builds in slide 5

    (note the six blue circles under the current slide that indicates the build number of each build)

    Screen Shot 2016-07-12 at 22.36.03.png

     

    My conclusion is that what you expect to happen in Keynote, is not what Keynote provides.

    I am perfectly happy with both how your presentation displays in Keynote, and also with the features and tools built in to Keynote to display the slideshow in Play and rehearse modes.

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 12, 2016 7:00 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 12, 2016 7:00 PM in response to Gary Scotland

    Thank you for your consideration and testing my presentation.

     

    Was yours v.5.3 also? I see a different font resulting from a different (newer) version. Have you tested it with Keynote 5?Anyway I suspect something is different in how it behaved on your Mac and mine - I just checked in Rehearsal Mode. You posted a screen grab of the slide's builds that it passed by completely: they are just not there in RM, e.g., I don't see neither the snake nor the builds' stages and the legend, nothing of the builds together with their stages of that slide. The same repeats with the majority of other slides, when roughly 4/5 of my graphs are missed in Rehearsal mode.

     

    My presentation was fully automatized with many of transitions spanning a very short interval of time. Some builds are elapsing very quickly. The cause?

     

    Also: could you post a shared link to those images? I'm so keen to know how it looks with your software?

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 17, 2016 3:57 AM in response to scrutinizer82
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    Jul 17, 2016 3:57 AM in response to scrutinizer82

    I used Keynote 5.3 to test your file.

    There were many fonts in your presentation that I do not have, as I don't have these, they was automatically substituted, fonts used in a presentation are dependant on which fonts are installed on the Mac.

     

    I had to change the timing on transitions and builds, some builds were set to less than a second and I could not follow what was happening.

     

    As a guess, other differences will be caused by playing the presentation on different Mac OS X version; you are using Lion, I am using Yosemite.

  • by scrutinizer82,

    scrutinizer82 scrutinizer82 Jul 24, 2016 1:10 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 24, 2016 1:10 PM in response to Gary Scotland

    Hi, Gary,

     

    I guess it adds nothing to the discussion but I thought it would've been better if I'd posted just a video of the actual behavior instead. So I did a movie and posted on YouTube. I post link to it below, so you could have a more crisp understanding to the issue from my POV:

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWGVTegqonw

     

    Best regards,

    I.S.