jennfromtheblock
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Q: Non-secure Jabber login?

Greetings!

 

I have been having a heck of time using my iChat since the last update.

 

I keep getting the prompt about a non-secure Jabber login. Then it says my password is invalid.

 

Help!

 

I have tried resetting passwords, signing in/signing out. I have tried deleting certain keychain passwords.

 

Nothing seems to work and I miss my chat.

MacBook Air, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)

Posted on Jul 10, 2016 7:39 AM

by Ralph Johns (UK),Solvedanswer
Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK)
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A:

Hi,

 

Messages has been able to add Jabber accounts since it was the previous App iChat and version 3 of that.

In fact the versions numbers for Messages continues on from iChat with the Lion version being ichat 6 and Mountain Lion having Messages 7

 

This is the list of Jabber servers http://www.jabberes.org/servers/

It is not exhaustive by any means but it does give you an idea.

Google is not even mentioned in that list but they do run a Jabber server.

 

Message_Google_settings_.png

This is my settings for Google.

Despite me editing the com.apple.iChat.Jabber.plist to allow it to be reset to "talk.google.com" and SSL ticked and port 5223 which is the one for SSL logins it currently always overrides anything I put in and show this.

Each time I start up messages I get this Alert

Screen Shot 2016-07-11 at 19.18.19.png

This ties up with the second grey tick in the picture above about warning about sending info Insecurely.

 

The issues I have with Google have only started in the last few weeks.

For a while now they have tried to shift people away from SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) logins to their Servers.

They use their own Oauth Tokens instead.

So you have to set your Google Account setting to Allow "Less Secure Apps" so you could use SSL.

In the meantime the Apple Mail app has continued to use SSL with Google's servers complaining at all.

 

Different Jabber servers login with and without SSL generally down to the Server choice (If they do one they don't do the other.)

Jabberme.png

 

As I said before knowing what type of Jabber Account you have is likely to be the first step to solving this.

You still have not said either way.

 

You will notice that I have edited some of the personal info in the Pictures I have posted.

If you post some of yours you will need to do the same but is may make things quicker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7:46 pm      Monday; July 11, 2016

 

​  iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (El Capitan)
 G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
 MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
 Mac OS X (10.6.8),
 iPhone and an iPad (2)

Posted on Jul 12, 2016 11:51 AM

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Q: Non-secure Jabber login?

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  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Jul 10, 2016 11:48 AM in response to jennfromtheblock
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    Jul 10, 2016 11:48 AM in response to jennfromtheblock

    Hi,

     

    It would help if we knew which Jabber server you are trying to Connect to.

     

    I find that a Google Talk ID I have used since iChat 3 will no longer sign in using SSL and will always report a Non Secure Login.

     

    This is despite me setting the "Less secure Apps" item at Google and changing the Server name and settings regarding Ports and SSL on my Mac.

    Something always seems to override the settings enabling the Automatic Find Port and Server which takes Off the SSL setting.

     

    IT seems the server name is no longer talk.google.com either.

     

     

    3Sigcopy2.png

    7:48 pm      Sunday; July 10, 2016

     

    ​  iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (El Capitan)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     iPhone and an iPad (2)

  • by jennfromtheblock,

    jennfromtheblock jennfromtheblock Jul 11, 2016 8:40 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Jul 11, 2016 8:40 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    I'll be honest, I'm a bit daft when it comes to the inner-working of computers/technology. All I know is that Jabber revolts when I try to sign in and use my chat on my computer. And this problem began with the last update.

     

    Should I change my username? I can't even find a way to change my Jabber information.

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),Solvedanswer

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Jul 12, 2016 11:51 AM in response to jennfromtheblock
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    Jul 12, 2016 11:51 AM in response to jennfromtheblock

    Hi,

     

    Messages has been able to add Jabber accounts since it was the previous App iChat and version 3 of that.

    In fact the versions numbers for Messages continues on from iChat with the Lion version being ichat 6 and Mountain Lion having Messages 7

     

    This is the list of Jabber servers http://www.jabberes.org/servers/

    It is not exhaustive by any means but it does give you an idea.

    Google is not even mentioned in that list but they do run a Jabber server.

     

    Message_Google_settings_.png

    This is my settings for Google.

    Despite me editing the com.apple.iChat.Jabber.plist to allow it to be reset to "talk.google.com" and SSL ticked and port 5223 which is the one for SSL logins it currently always overrides anything I put in and show this.

    Each time I start up messages I get this Alert

    Screen Shot 2016-07-11 at 19.18.19.png

    This ties up with the second grey tick in the picture above about warning about sending info Insecurely.

     

    The issues I have with Google have only started in the last few weeks.

    For a while now they have tried to shift people away from SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) logins to their Servers.

    They use their own Oauth Tokens instead.

    So you have to set your Google Account setting to Allow "Less Secure Apps" so you could use SSL.

    In the meantime the Apple Mail app has continued to use SSL with Google's servers complaining at all.

     

    Different Jabber servers login with and without SSL generally down to the Server choice (If they do one they don't do the other.)

    Jabberme.png

     

    As I said before knowing what type of Jabber Account you have is likely to be the first step to solving this.

    You still have not said either way.

     

    You will notice that I have edited some of the personal info in the Pictures I have posted.

    If you post some of yours you will need to do the same but is may make things quicker.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    3Sigcopy2.png

    7:46 pm      Monday; July 11, 2016

     

    ​  iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (El Capitan)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     iPhone and an iPad (2)

  • by jennfromtheblock,

    jennfromtheblock jennfromtheblock Jul 12, 2016 11:57 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Jul 12, 2016 11:57 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    OK, I am still not 100% sure, but your email has helped me fix the issue I was having! Hah, so, well done, you! Thank you so much for your time and patience. I appreciate it!

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Jul 12, 2016 12:41 PM in response to jennfromtheblock
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    Jul 12, 2016 12:41 PM in response to jennfromtheblock

    Hi,

     

    I see you marked the post twice:-

     

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    8:41 pm      Tuesday; July 12, 2016

     

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     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     iPhone and an iPad (2)