Doug Lerner2

Q: Trying to help a friend diagnose his wi-fi problem

A friend lives way way across town and I'm trying to help him figure out why his Mac won't connect to the Internet all of a sudden.

 

Another Mac in his apartment does connect, so the Internet modem and wi-fi router are definitely ok.

 

He is seeing "AirMac" in his network settings, but the router is not an AirMac. I don't know why he's seeing that rather than a more generic "Wi-Fi".

 

I tried having him delete that setting and then create a new setting. The network preferences dialog recreates it, but insists on calling it AirMac.

 

He can turn that connection on, select the SSID, enter the password and join the network and then top-most wi-fi select menu shows he is joined, but nothing connects - not Safari, not iChat, not iTunes.

 

I can't figure out what might be wrong. He can show me his screen via FaceTime on his iPhone, but I can't think of anything else to tell him to try.

 

Any suggestions? He is a super super super novice.

 

Thanks,

 

doug

iMac, Mac OS 9.0.x, iMac (21.5-inch Late 2009, 12 GB)

Posted on Jul 17, 2016 5:15 AM

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  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 18, 2016 5:48 PM in response to LilyLC
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    Jul 18, 2016 5:48 PM in response to LilyLC

    Yes, we did that. Did not help. It's at the top of the list now.

     

    doug

  • by LilyLC,Helpful

    LilyLC LilyLC Jul 18, 2016 6:28 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 18, 2016 6:28 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    Consider trying a public DNS server. I don't know about Japan but a couple in the U.S. are Google and OpenDNS

    Google Primary DNS 8.8.8.8

    Google Secondary DNS 8.8.4.4

    OpenDNS Primary 208.67.222.222

    OpenDNS Secondary 208.67.220.220

     

    To try a different DNS server, in the Network preference pane, click the Advanced button (lower right).

    Click the DNS tab. If there is anything in the DNS Servers box, click each line and then the minus (–) button to delete them.

    Then, click the plus ( + ) sign and enter a public DNS address. It's recommended to enter a primary and secondary DNS address.

     

    What I have not seen in this thread is whether you had your friend power cycle all the equipment. That is turn off computer(s), router, and modem. Wait at least 2 minutes and then power the equipment back on in reverse order but be sure to allow each device to complete its startup routine before turning on the next device.

    But this friend's iMac's Internet connection has just gone wonky.

    ...

    I suppose it's possible his wi-fi hardware has gone bad. Does that ever happen?

    Oh yes. What you describe about the iMac was my experience earlier this year and the culprit was the ISP's modem. See this thread.  Note: it could be the router. To determine which, i.e., modem or router, remove the router from the network and connect one of the computers directly to the modem. If the Internet connection is fine then it might be the router. If the Internet connection is wonky then it just might be the modem.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 18, 2016 6:14 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 18, 2016 6:14 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    Have you tried sharing the connection from the iMac and trying to join that with the acc that can't join the network currently

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 18, 2016 6:28 PM in response to LilyLC
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    Jul 18, 2016 6:28 PM in response to LilyLC

    I actually meant the wi-fi in his iMac, not the ISP modem or wi-fi router. I think both of those are ok because other devices are connecting just fine with them. Also, above I did mention that we recycled everything: his iMac, the modem and the wi-fi router.

     

    Anyway, your suggestion of trying the Google DNS has helped - at least somewhat. After changing to the Google public DNS servers he can now open web pages in Safari and send and receive email. So he is happy. However, when he tries to open iTunes and go to the music store he gets an Internet connection error.

     

    But he's more or less pleased for now.

     

    Thanks,

     

    doug

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 18, 2016 6:29 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 18, 2016 6:29 PM in response to Csound1

    No, we haven't tried that. We might try that later when his friend is around, just to see.

  • by LilyLC,

    LilyLC LilyLC Jul 18, 2016 8:50 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 18, 2016 8:50 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    Progress...Terrific! Thanks for the star.

    I actually meant the wi-fi in his iMac, not the ISP modem or wi-fi router. I think both of those are ok because other devices are connecting just fine with them. Also, above I did mention that we recycled everything: his iMac, the modem and the wi-fi router.

     

    Anything and everything is subject to glitches and failure. In this case probably not since the iMac also became wonky. In one of your posts yesterdays you stated

    He tried restarting the Mac twice already. And we did try to power off and power on the router.

    which did not include the modem. Every device in the network is a possible culprit.

     

    As for the connection error with iTunes, I get that frequently. With all the changes you had him try, including the latest change to Google DNS, his computer (and possibly the iMac) may be confused or a bit slow to catch up with all the changes. Try rebooting the computers.

     

    Another suggestion is to change the wi-fi channel in the router's settings. An ISP tech recently told me that wifi channels can get "stale" so changing the channel can help.

     

    As for this being a recent problem, it's possible that the router settings file is corrupt. If he has a backup of his router settings, try reloading the backup settings file. Or another file on his computer has become corrupt that affects some other files. Since he uses OS 10.6.8, he could run Disk Utility from the original Install CD and verify/repair the hard disk.

     

    HTH

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 22, 2016 5:40 PM in response to LilyLC
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    Jul 22, 2016 5:40 PM in response to LilyLC

    Well, we're really not making any progress.

     

    I was finally able to try to "share the Internet connection" with the other iMac in the room. But that didn't work at all. The wi-fi network name I created on the connected iMac isn't showing up on the one with the problem.

     

    That Internet sharing setting is a bit confusing. It seems if I try to share wi-fi I have to share via Bluetooth or Ethernet or anything but wi-fi.  So I tried sharing via Bluetooth, but had no confidence that was correct. I tried following the online help instructions, but didn't really think they matched what was happening.

     

    Changing the wi-fi channel didn't help either.

     

    doug

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 22, 2016 5:46 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 22, 2016 5:46 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    It should appear as a wifi network but it seems its just another on the list of things that are not working.

     

    Could anything else see it, (an iPhone maybe)

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 22, 2016 5:50 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 22, 2016 5:50 PM in response to Csound1

    So sharing the wi-fi network via Bluetooth is correct? Why can't the wi-fi network be shared via wi-fi?

     

    Anyway, yes, everything but this one iMac works over the home wi-fi: iPhones, iPads, my computer when I visit his house.

     

    And the wi-fi network is visible on this one iMac. And it is able to connect to it. And sometimes connect to web pages. But it's just gotten real unstable and unable to connect 95% of the time.

     

    doug

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 22, 2016 6:02 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:02 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    It is, but the fact that you can't get it to work suggests another problem for you to sort out.

     

    You share it with wifi, not bluetooth: when it's done it should look like this

    Screen Shot 2016-07-22 at 20.00.33.png

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 22, 2016 6:07 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:07 PM in response to Csound1

    But in that particular screenshot, doesn't the iMac having problems need to connect via Ethernet to the other iMac? Physically speaking, that's not practical for these two iMacs.

     

    And if you are sharing using ethernet, why do the instructions say to give the wi-fi network a name and a password?

     

    doug

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 22, 2016 6:10 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:10 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    In practice it connects via wifi or ethernet, clearly you have not yet tried it out. I suggest you do, it will at least tell us if the reluctant Mac can connect.

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 22, 2016 6:15 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:15 PM in response to Csound1

    Clearly I have tried it. Why do you always respond like that? I said the wi-fi doesn't show up in the problem Mac's wi-fi list. I asked a reasonable question, which is if you selected ethernet then why would you expect it to connect via wi-fi? I said it's physically not practical to connect an ethernet cable between the two machines. Why must you be antagonistic in your comments?

     

    doug

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jul 22, 2016 6:17 PM in response to Doug Lerner2
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:17 PM in response to Doug Lerner2

    Did you try anything than the problem Mac, yes or no will suffice

  • by Doug Lerner2,

    Doug Lerner2 Doug Lerner2 Jul 22, 2016 6:26 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jul 22, 2016 6:26 PM in response to Csound1

    I've already said all other devices at their place will connect to the home wi-fi with no problem (iPads, iPhones, etc.). So the answer for general connectivity to the home Internet is yes.

     

    But as far as testing iMac shared Internet connectivity is concerned, it's not really possible to have these two guys do tests with other devices to see if they connect to the iMac shared connection. One guy is 97 years old and I'm just glad he can turn on TeamViewer for me so I can connect to his iMac. The other guy barely knows what it means to point and click. So it isn't possible to do further iMac Internet sharing tests until I can find time to actually visit their place.

     

    doug

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