Monte H

Q: locked overnight. second new iPhone affected

Two of my newer-generation iPhones locked overnight. "Passcode is required to enable Touch ID".

Unexpected behavior: valid 7 character passcode, used many times, recorded elsewhere, double-checked is not accepted, with the "jiggle the input" response.

 

Bug reproduced 2nd time:

iPhone SE 64GB: passcode lockout 2016-07-19 morning.

- Unit had been plugged in and power uninterrupted.

- This was my backup iPhone for the first device affected.

- made 2 passcode entry attempts, then stopped.

--> What does "in a row" mean on this page?

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204306

    "within a time period of _____"? or in sequence of any length?

    Do I have 4 tries remaining forever?

 

Bug 1st time:

iPhone 6 128GB: passcode lockout

- Occurred May 18 - May 19, 2016. Discovered Morning of May 19.

- on Mac, an iTunes backup folder exists: 2106-05-08 iPhone 6 backup needs decrypt

    - folder with GUD 1e8e...

- I made several attempts and then was locked out for 15 min, 60 min...

- Phone contains an all-day photo and video shoot from March 26th; old iCloud free account was full. I retrieved the 1st third of that day's work.

 

Troubleshooting

- ID1: old Apple ID was a gmail address, with a free iCloud account.

- I moved the SIM card from the iPhone 6 to the brand new iPhone SE.

- ID2: Created new Apple ID with a new @icould.com email.

  - Associated ID2 with my Apple for Business. Using @icloud.com had serious limitations. Account abandoned.

- ID3: Created new Apple ID with a third-party email

- With genius bar, linked ID1. got access to apps. later, all apps on the old ID would not update.

- I took recommended steps to rid the iPhone SE of the old Apple ID1

 

How do I regain access to my phones? "Wipe them" is not an acceptable option.

 

What will Apple do to fix this flight-critical iOS update bug?

iPhone SE, iOS 9.3.2

Posted on Jul 19, 2016 7:11 AM

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  • by Rudegar,

    Rudegar Rudegar Jul 19, 2016 7:30 AM in response to Monte H
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    Jul 19, 2016 7:30 AM in response to Monte H

    you can inform them about your experience using the feedback channel

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

     

    they may not be aware of any issue

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Jul 19, 2016 7:38 AM in response to Monte H
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    Jul 19, 2016 7:38 AM in response to Monte H

    Monte H wrote:

     

    Two of my newer-generation iPhones locked overnight. "Passcode is required to enable Touch ID".

    This is expected behavior. If the device is not used for 8 hours, your passcode will be required. This is an effort to deal with the fact that law enforcement can not compel you to give up your passcode, but they can compel you to use a fingerprint or other biometric authentication method to gain access to your device. With a little bit of luck, it will take them long enough to get a court order to do so that it will no longer work without the passcode.

    Unexpected behavior: valid 7 character passcode, used many times, recorded elsewhere, double-checked is not accepted, with the "jiggle the input" response.

    Standard passcodes are either 4 digits or 6 digits, not 7. The only way to have a 7 character passcode is if you turned on complex passcodes. Are you absolutely positive it was 7 characters?

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Jul 19, 2016 8:56 AM in response to Monte H
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    Jul 19, 2016 8:56 AM in response to Monte H

    How do I regain access to my phones? "Wipe them" is not an acceptable option.

     

    What will Apple do to fix this flight-critical iOS update bug?

     

    If you have locked your devices with too many passcode attempts, wiping them is your only option.

     

    Not sure how I see this connected to an iOS update bug.

     

    Do you not have other backups? I am guessing that the phrases "day's work", "Apple for Business" and "flight-cirical" mean the devices are used for commercial purposes. Relying solely on iCloud for data backup is not wise IMO.

  • by Ruleset,

    Ruleset Ruleset Jul 19, 2016 9:44 AM in response to KiltedTim
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    Jul 19, 2016 9:44 AM in response to KiltedTim

    I stand corrected. 6 chars.

  • by Ruleset,

    Ruleset Ruleset Jul 19, 2016 9:58 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Jul 19, 2016 9:58 AM in response to LACAllen

    iPhone SE - I have not exceeded the attempts, having learned from ID1/iPhone 6.

     

    Yes, business purposes.

     

    I have a mixture of Apple for Business, Google Apps for Work, and other vendors.

     

    The surprise update-iOS-and-lock in May occurred when I was setting up vendors, and storm damage hit my house. I happened to bring the brand-new SE with me to a hotel, so I had a backup device.

     

    > device is not used for 8 hours, your passcode will be required.

    I believe it is reasonable to sleep for 8 hours and not expect to have data loss. The May incident coincided with a week in which Apple did 2 dot releases of iOS. The message that morning said passcode required after OS update.

     

    If not bug(s), these experiences were at least unintended consequences, I hope.

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Jul 19, 2016 10:11 AM in response to Ruleset
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    Jul 19, 2016 10:11 AM in response to Ruleset

    Ruleset wrote:

     

    > device is not used for 8 hours, your passcode will be required.

    I believe it is reasonable to sleep for 8 hours and not expect to have data loss.

    You're correct. It is reasonable to expect you'll remember your passcode after sleeping for 8 hours.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Jul 19, 2016 10:16 AM in response to Ruleset
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    Jul 19, 2016 10:16 AM in response to Ruleset

    The bottom line is... those passcodes are stored locally. On the device. Not in any backup. 100% user responsibility.

     

    Regardless of who/what/why this happened, your only option for removing a passcode is to wipe the device(s) and start over. Then you would use your backup (iTunes, iCloud or other 3rd party solution) to restore your data and carry on. Since you seemed to be using iCloud Photo Library, your still-on-the-device photos are not present in Apple's backups anyway. Your best option would have been to copy them from your device(s) to a PC or Mac for backup purposes.

     

    Even if a bug fix was needed and released to address this very issue, you would have to wipe your devices to get the bug fix.