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Jul 26, 2016 3:58 PM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Which exact model of the Mac G4 do you have? Is the AirPort Extreme card the original card that was installed or an add-on? Finally, which exact version of OS X is your G4 running?
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Jul 27, 2016 7:37 AM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,Thanx for your reply. Here is the info you requested. Hope you can help.
450 MHZ Power PC G4 (2.7) AGP graphics
The AirPort Extreme card was bought and installed by me.
The system is Mac OS X 10.3.9
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Jul 27, 2016 4:11 PM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Thanks for the detailed model information for your Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics).
This particular model had an option for an 802.11b AirPort card, NOT an 802.11g AirPort Extreme card. As such, the 802.11b card, model M7600LL/D, EEE codes: LH8, M6Y, or QAC can support either 128-bit WEP or WPA. It does NOT support WPA2. Actually, the very first revision of these cards, model M7600LL/*, EEE code: G3G only supported 40-bit WEP.
So, depending on which exact model of the card you installed, it may not be able to connect to a secured Wi-Fi network.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:49 AM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,OK, my memory did not serve me well. What I actually have is an original Apple Airport Card 80211b. So, are you saying that AT&T U-verse is WPA2? If so, is there anything I can do to fix this even f it means changing my ISP? Is there any ISP out there that I can use? Thanx so much for your help.
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Jul 28, 2016 12:51 PM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Most likely, your U-Verse wireless gateway is providing the, currently, highest possible type of wireless security, which is WPA2. You would need to change the AT&T's gateway to use WPA instead. I would not suggest using either WEP or no encryption at all.
You shouldn't have to change ISPs for this.
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Jul 28, 2016 2:33 PM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,I just spoke with AT&T and this is the set-up:
Wireless operations: On
Network Name: my network name
Hide SSID: off
Security: WPA-PSK (the other option for WPA is WPA-Default key)
WPA Version: Both (options are WPA-1 and WPA-2)
It still does not connect even though I can choose my network name. I don't know anything about this but I am willing to try all suggestions to get this to work. Do you think if I chose WPA-1 instead of both it might work? I do remember the last time the internet worked on this particular computer I had AT&T 2-Wire and a different modem and DSL. Also, the gateway was WEP and I had to put a $ in front of the password to get it to work.
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Jul 28, 2016 3:01 PM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Unfortunately, all manufacturers do not use the same terminology when it comes to offering wireless security naming conventions with their products.
Basically, there are four wireless security "levels" available:
- None - Yes this is an option and as you can guess it offers no security at all.
- WEP - This comes in two flavors: 40-bit & 128 bit. This level of security is completely outdated and is almost as un-secure as the None option. It may be the only option that will work with older networking equipment, but should be avoided if all possible.
- WPA - On wireless routers, this can be provided as potentially one of the following options:
- WPA-PSK,
- WPA-PSK w/TKIP,
- WPA/WPA2-Personal
- WPA2 - On wireless routers, this can be provided as potentially one of the following options:
- WPA2-PSK,
- WPA-PSK w/AES,
- WPA2-Personal
Ok, with that said, let's backtrack to your Power Mac G4. Depending on the actual revision of the AirPort Card that is installed, it can either use:
- 40-bit WEP only, or
- 40-bit WEP, or 128-bit WEP, or WPA.
In the first case, that would be level "2" from above; in the latter, it would be levels "2" or "3."
For your Power Mac, let's look at the minimum requirements to meet both levels "2" and "3."
For level "2:"
- AirPort card, revision 1
For level "3:"
- AirPort card, revision 2
- OS X 10.3+
So, it will still boil down to which card do you have? I am guessing that it is a revision 2 card as the first revision ones are pretty rare. If that turns out to be the case, then your Power Mac should be able to connect to a wireless network secured with WPA, WPA-PSK, WPA-PSK w/TKIP or any similar option that the router provides.
I can help do some additional research for you if you let me know the exact make & model of your wireless router.
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Jul 28, 2016 3:30 PM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,You have been so helpful. I really appreciate it.
The wireless router is an Arris 12VDC NVG510
If it helps any, I bought the airport card in July 2006.
Thanx again
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Jul 28, 2016 3:47 PM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,The wireless router is an Arris 12VDC NVG510
Great thanks.
Let's first try setting wireless security to: OFF-No Privacy. Allow your router to restart. Then try connecting the Power Mac to the wireless network. Can it connect now?
If no, then there is something amiss with the AirPort card or its settings. If yes, then we are going to reconfigure the router to use WPA.
The security settings that I would like for you to try are:
- Security: WPA-PSK
- WPA Version: WPA-1
- Wireless Protected Setup (WPA): Off
Now try connecting the Power Mac again. Please post back your results.
If it helps any, I bought the airport card in July 2006.
Unfortunately, it doesn't. The AirPort card came out in Jul 1999 and were discontinued in Jun 2004. I would need the information I provided you earlier which are printed on the card itself to verify which revision it actually is ... but, hold off, until you try the connection tests to see if it will really be necessary.
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Jul 29, 2016 9:35 AM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,Thank you for helping me. I tried taking the privacy off completely and it worked. Not only was I able to connect to the internet but I was able to network with my newer computer. I have not been able to do that in forever. But, I know that that setting is not the optimal solution.
OK I made the changes you suggested and I am back at square one. The G4 is giving the same error message and won't connect.
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Jul 29, 2016 9:48 AM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Ok, great! We, at least, know that the AirPort card is functional and capable of connected to your Wi-Fi network. The issue remaining, of course, is with wireless security.
We still have a few options to try:
- We will go with the settings for WPA-PSK as before, but I am going to ask you to try a "test" password to use. That password will be: 0123456789ABCDEF0123456789 It should be a total of 26 characters. Note that this will affect all of your other wireless clients during the test. If this works for letting your Power Mac connect, then I can offer some suggestions on what passwords you can use going forward.
- If using WPA will just not cut it, we will have to resort to using WEP. As I mentioned earlier, this will basically make your wireless network unsecured for the sake of just letting the Power Mac connect. I highly do not recommend going this route.
- Finally, you could consider replacing or bypassing the AirPort card with an external USB wireless adapter. These may still be available for your Power Mac. One outfit that sells them is Other World Computing. The advantage of going with one of these is that they support the newer 802.11n and WPA2 standards.
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Jul 29, 2016 10:44 AM in response to Tesseraxby pmgraph,I guess we are at the end of the road. The 26 character password did not work either. I looked up the USB wireless adapters and I saw these:
USB Adapter for any Mac or Windows PC with an available USB port. Fully backwards compatible for 802.11g and 802.11b networks. Edimax 2 Year Limit...
Mfr P/N: EW-7811Un | MacSales.com SKU: EDMEW7811UN
Edimax EW-7722UTn 300Mbps Wireless 802.11b/g/n Mini-size USB Adapter
Complies with wireless 802.11b/g/n standards with a data rate of up to 300Mbps. New with Edimax 2 Year Limited Warranty
Mfr P/N: EW-7722UTn | MacSales.com SKU: EDMEW7722UTN
Which one would give me the best speed? I know it won't be fast as I have become used to, but seems like the 11n gives the max speed available for the adapter. I am guessing the 11b would probably be the slowest.
I thought about an ethernet connection to the router, but the router is in the basement and the computer is on the second floor. Couldn't figure out how to make that work.
I really appreciate all of the time you have spent with me on this problem. I knew nothing about these adapters. I could have had a connection long ago if I had known. Thank you.
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Jul 29, 2016 10:55 AM in response to pmgraphby Tesserax,Sorry, that didn't work out.
As far as either adapter, I suggest that you contact OWC directly and just ask them. It will be important to let them know the exact Power Mac that you want to use it with and its OS X version for compatibility reasons.
They should be able to answer all of your questions. They also have an excellent return policy just in case.
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