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Q: Networking Power PC with intel Mac

I got an ethernet connection between the AT&T Uverse router (located in my basement) to my main intel computer. I added a netgear switch near the computer (located on the 2nd floor) so that I could connect other devices. I connected a Power PC Mac via ethernet directly to the netgear switch and the Intellifax via the NC8100h print server to the netgear switch. I have no other software available to set up the NC8100h that I could find on the Brother website that was Mac compatible. I could mount a disk image on the Power PC of the intel Mac so I was successful with that connection (Not stable. Does timeout). But I was not able to mount a disk image of the Power PC on the desktop of the intel Mac. I was able to add the Intellifax as a printer to the Power PC across the network but when I sent a file from the Power PC it disappeared into oblivion and did not show up in the queue. It did, however, tie up the printer and when I tried to send a file from the intel Mac, the job was put on hold in the queue. The job from the Power PC never printed. The Intellifax is also connected to the computer through USB and I wondered if that was the problem. So, I disconnected the USB and tried to add the printer using IPP and Line Printer Daemon-LPD. The Intellifax was not able to be verified on the network. I don't know enough about this to locate the Intellifax using addresses and even if I knew the address I would not know where exactly to enter that info. Does that mean that the NC8100h is not actually making the connection to the network? Do I need both connections, ethernet and USB? Side note: I still cannot connect to the internet with the Power PC G4 even though I am on ethernet and the ethernet is connected to the AT&T Uverse router. I still get an error message (See my earlier posts). I have turned off all Airport devices and can use the internet on the intel Mac but not the Power PC G4.

PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.3.x), Power PC Mac G4

Posted on Aug 3, 2016 1:17 PM

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  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Aug 3, 2016 1:48 PM in response to pmgraph
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    Aug 3, 2016 1:48 PM in response to pmgraph

    What earlier posts?

     

    If the  Printer is connected to the IntelMac using only USB, does setting up Printer Sharing on the IntelMac work for the PPC Mac?

     

    Mac OS X: About the Reset Printing System feature ...

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1341?viewlocale=en_US

     

    10.5/10.6/10.7/10.8 instructions...

     

    In System Preferences>Fax & Print, Right click or Control+click on the Printers list Sidebar, choose Reset Printing System.

    if you hold option and click the "-" tab it resets the printing system.

     

    http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031215144430486

     

    Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions.

     

    Any devices that previously appeared in your Printer List and Fax List will need to be added again after resetting the printing system.

    Resetting the printing system in Mac OS X 10.5.x+++

    1. To use the Reset Printing System feature in Mac OS X 10.5.x, follow these steps:
    3. Choose System Preferences from the Apple menu.
    5. Choose Print & Fax from the View menu.
    7. Control-click on list of printers on the left side of the window, then choose "Reset printing system" from the contextual menu. If you don't see a list of printers, Control-click on the text "Click + to add a printer or fax" and select "Reset printing system..."
        
        As an alternative, if you currently have one or more printers listed, you can Option-click the "-" (Remove printer) button.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1341

     

    Reboot.

  • by pmgraph,

    pmgraph pmgraph Aug 3, 2016 3:01 PM in response to BDAqua
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    Aug 3, 2016 3:01 PM in response to BDAqua

    Mac G4 Airport card and AT&T U-verse is my earlier post. I turned printer sharing on, but file did not print although it did tie up the printer. I will follow your suggestion. Thank you for responding.

  • by pmgraph,

    pmgraph pmgraph Aug 3, 2016 3:04 PM in response to BDAqua
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    Aug 3, 2016 3:04 PM in response to BDAqua

    I actually have a network print server connected to the Intellifax and to a netgear switch. So, theoretically it is connected by USB and Ethernet. I just checked if I could access the internet without the Wi-fi and it would not connect on the intel Mac.

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Aug 3, 2016 5:10 PM in response to pmgraph
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    Aug 3, 2016 5:10 PM in response to pmgraph

    Do you know the IPs of all these things?

     

    I think we might find some clues by using Network Utility, click the Traceroute tab, type in google .com, how far does it get on both Macs?

     

    Traceroute has started…

     

    traceroute: Warning: google.com has multiple addresses; using 172.56.146.31

    traceroute to google.com (172.56.146.31), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets

    1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  2.248 ms  2.466 ms  4.531 ms

    2  10.167.254.48 (10.167.254.48)  47.526 ms *  116.856 ms

    3  10.170.233.13 (10.170.233.13)  33.264 ms  49.876 ms  39.686 ms

    4  10.170.233.19 (10.170.233.19)  38.596 ms  35.819 ms  44.196 ms

    5  10.164.162.246 (10.164.162.246)  36.896 ms  34.568 ms  41.592 ms

    6  10.164.162.239 (10.164.162.239)  39.392 ms  33.295 ms  41.568 ms

    7  10.177.69.150 (10.177.69.150)  38.130 ms  63.720 ms  52.268 ms

    8  10.177.69.141 (10.177.69.141)  53.784 ms  35.407 ms  41.083 ms

    9  172.56.146.31 (172.56.146.31)  38.487 ms  26.541 ms  42.914 ms

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Aug 4, 2016 1:57 PM in response to pmgraph
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    Aug 4, 2016 1:57 PM in response to pmgraph

    I do not understand your setup.

     

    netgear switch connected to

      -- printer:  Intellifax via the NC8100h print server

      -- g4 computer

     

    I still cannot connect to the internet with the Power PC G4 even though I am on ethernet and the ethernet is connected to the AT&T Uverse router.


    What do you mean by this?


    Mac G4 Airport card and AT&T U-verse

    Here you say that you are trying to connect via wifi.  That would mean that you have two tcp/ip connections on your system: hardwired to switch and a wifi connection.

     

    This gets a little complex.

     

    You also have the printer connected via a print server.  This gets a little complex.

     

    Now these things are not working.   First, simplify.  Second, simplify.

     

    I suggest you try to get one thing working first.

     

    I would suggest you detach the switch and get connected to the internet.   I would suggest you hardwire your g4 to the internet if possible.  I'd get a long ethernet cable and do this as a test.

     

    R

  • by pmgraph,

    pmgraph pmgraph Aug 4, 2016 3:32 PM in response to rccharles
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    Aug 4, 2016 3:32 PM in response to rccharles

    Thank you BDAqua and rccharles for your suggestions. I actually have the network up between the intel Mac and the Power PC. As I said before I can see the intel Mac icon on the Power PC but no Power PC icon on the intel Mac. I reinstalled the driver for the Intellifax from Software Update on the intel Mac and now I can share the printer. Before I downloaded and installed the driver from Brother (intellifax manufacturer) directly and it didn't work. So, now I know the print server on the Intellifax is actually operational and the ethernet connection is active on the network. The Power PC is connected by ethernet cable to the netgear switch which is connected by a long cable to the AT&T Uverse router in my basement. Everything is good there.

     

    Still not able to get on the internet with the Power PC G4. I can at least open Safari and see the bookmarks but this is what I get when I try to connect to a web page:

     

    "Safari can't find the server. Safari can't open the page "http://www.apple.co/downloads/macosx/" because it can't find the server "www.apple.com".

     

    I saw internet sharing on the intel Mac when I set up the printer sharing in System  Preferences/Sharing/Internet sharing. Is that a possible way to get the internet for the Power PC by sharing the wireless connection I have on the intel Mac through the ethernet? I didn't try it because I got a warning (intel Mac below).

     

     

    On the Power PC side the warning read: If you turn on this port, your internet Service provider might terminate your service to prevent you from disrupting its network. In some cases (if you use a cable modem, for example) you might unintentionally affect the network settings of your ISP and violate the terms of your service agreement.

     

    Do you have any knowledge of this?

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Aug 4, 2016 7:04 PM in response to pmgraph
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    Aug 4, 2016 7:04 PM in response to pmgraph

    You do not need to turn on sharing.  Sharing is for connecting a computer to another computer and sharing the internet.

     

    I think, you are connecting your computers directly to the internet.

     

    Why are you trying to connect the same computer to the internet via wifi and ethernet cable?  Turn off wifi on your g4 computer.

     

    So how does you intel computer get to the internet?  ethernet cable to ???

    Swap around cables and ports.

     

    to figure out why you cannot get to a site.  You need to follow one of these procedures.

     

    Seems like you are not getting the DNS address or addresses.

     

    apple > system preferences > network

     

    Double click on network connection you are using.

     

    Pick the TCP/IP tab.

     

    Verify that you have a DNS Server. If you do not, look on your windows machine and see what the net address is. You can also pick using DHCF and still enter you DNS server address.

     

    ----

    You can use Network Utility to diagnose internet problems:

        /System/Library/CoreServices/Applications/Network Utility.app

     

    or for older os x's Network Utility was here:
        /Applications/Utilities/Network Utility

    You can ping google.com.

    Result:

    Ping has started ...

     

    PING google.com (64.233.167.99): 56 data bytes

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=215.362 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=279.597 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=189.747 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=250.657 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=183.232 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=243.753 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=244 time=173.108 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=244 time=230.239 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=244 time=180.639 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=244 time=232.177 ms

     

    --- google.com ping statistics ---

    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss

    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 173.108/217.851/279.597/33.615 ms

     

     

    If that does not work, try pinging 64.233.167.99 Result:

     

    Ping has started ...

     

    PING 64.233.167.99 (64.233.167.99): 56 data bytes

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=189.655 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=213.471 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=257.873 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=172.745 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=226.723 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=171.883 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=244 time=260.308 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=244 time=172.963 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=244 time=198.840 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=244 time=181.215 ms

     

    --- 64.233.167.99 ping statistics ---

    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss

    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 171.883/204.568/260.308/32.247 ms

     

    If pinging 17.254.3.183 works but pinging Google.com doesn't. You have a bad DNS Server address.

     

     

    I use Google.

     

    Google provides free dns lookup.  Their numbers are:

    8.8.8.8

    8.8.4.4

     

     

    BDAqua suggests in a post.

    You can use OpenDNS for looking up web addresses.

    Put these numbers in Network>TCP/IP>DNS Servers for a try...

     

    208.67.222.222

    208.67.220.220

     

    I think they now pretend you need to join to use, but you don't.

    https://www.opendns.com/homenetwork/start/device/apple-osx-tiger
    (Please note that you do not need to a joint Open DNS to use it.)

     

    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5908432#5908432

     

    fyi:

    If Tiger has a working ethernet connection and configured to use dhcp, but doesn't find a dhcp server, Tiger will generate these addresses:

       ip address: 169.254.193.199

       mask: 255.255.255.0

     

    Robert

     

    =======================================================

     

    I suggest that you try pinging Google.com.

     

    Macintosh-HD -> Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal

    # press return to run the command.

     

    # settings for you communications port.  en0 is the ethenet cable port

    ifconfig

    # gateway address

    netstat -nr | grep default

     

     

    mac $ ping -c4 google.com

    PING google.com (64.233.187.99): 56 data bytes

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=177.617 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=251.899 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=169.291 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=250.119 ms

     

    --- google.com ping statistics ---

    4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss

    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 169.291/212.232/251.899/38.894 ms

     

    mac $ ping -c4 64.233.187.99

    PING 64.233.187.99 (64.233.187.99): 56 data bytes

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=176.723 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=247.889 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=176.890 ms

    64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=244.623 ms

     

    --- 64.233.187.99 ping statistics ---

    4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss

    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 176.723/211.531/247.889/34.744 ms

    mac $

     

    Analysis: If you cannot ping Goolge.com but you can ping 64.233.187.99, then you need to enter you dns address.  For some reason Mac OS X sometimes doesn't set the dns.  You can set it manually.

     

    Try pinging your router.

     

    mac $ ping -c4 192.168.1.1

    PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes

    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.958 ms

    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.950 ms

    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.955 ms

    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=0.984 ms

     

    --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---

    4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss

    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.950/0.962/0.984/0.013 ms

    mac $

     

    Try pinging your dns server  8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4

     

     

     

     

     

    apple > system preferences > network

     

    tcp/ip tab and enter address of dns servers

     

    example 162.33.160.100

     

    You will need to use a different number.

     

    Robert