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Q: Why is my iBook G4 only allowing me to wake it after a period of time?

Hi, I know the title is confusing, so I will explain it in further detail. The problematic computer is a iBook G4 '14.1 (2005 I believe).

 

The problem:

The computer seems to wake only when I move the mouse. However, it will only allow me to wake it every 5 minutes or so. Once awakened, the screen only stays illuminated for 3 seconds. I doubt this is an issue with the screen/video card since the screen "fades" as it eases in and out of sleep as intended. Even while asleep, the optical drive shows signs of activity.

Something to mention is that there is currently no operating system installed. I am booting from an OS X installer disc for 10.5.x. The installer seems to work because when the screen illuminates long enough for me to see that I am being prompted for the install language. The installer disc came with my Mom's (far nicer) late 2008 Mac Book Pro. I have tried using an external USB mouse but it seems to not effect the nature of the problem in any way (I'm getting the same behavior as with the trackpad).

 

Computer history:

I found this computer in the trash with half the screws missing, no battery, no charger, and no hard drive. I have restored it to rough, but working order. I bought the cheapest charger I could find and installed a 256Mb SO-DIMM DDR module I had sitting around. I also acquired a working IDE hard drive from a friend. I had enough screws lying around that I could add screws to all of the main points (including the screen hinge). While working on it, the connector for the power button came off the logic board so I have been shorting the pins for the connector in order to start the computer. This is not really an issue since I will be purchasing a soldering iron which I've been wanting to purchase anyway for working with Arduino robotics. I'll use the soldering iron to re-solder the power connector to the logic board.

iBook G4, No operating system is installed

Posted on Aug 9, 2016 10:39 PM

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Q: Why is my iBook G4 only allowing me to wake it after a period of time?

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  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Aug 10, 2016 7:07 AM in response to green connector
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    Aug 10, 2016 7:07 AM in response to green connector

    Your vintage PowerPC G4 iBook cannot use other Mac's OS X installer DVD

    or any other model part numbered model-specific install restore software kit.

     

    The official retail OS X 10.5 Leopard DVD media would be the latest system

    the unit can use. The computer itself shipped with a special grey-labeled

    install-restore set that had an iBook G4 - specific OS X 10.4.x software kit.

    That set of discs, as shipped, also included the supported applications not

    to be found on a retail version OS X that can otherwise work on that unit.

     

    So any Intel-based Mac system software generally does not work in PPC vintage.

    That is the first hurdle. Drivers for graphic processor and other bits also would

    be lacking because a system disc from Intel-based Mac does not include them.

     

    As to troubleshooting displays; a VGA adapter for the built-in port to accommodate

    an external display, can be helpful. There are components on the logic board and

    in the display itself, that could have failed. You can test the main graphic component

    by using the external port and adapter to by-pass those other items.

     

    Some aspects of the older OS X 10.5 Leopard system were universal, to support

    both Intel-based and PPC-based hardware; but lacked PPC support when the kit

    was intended specifically for an Intel-based model. So the original Tiger version on

    grey-labeled DVD media for the iBook G4, or retail label Leopard, are correct parts.

     

    Good luck in this matter!

  • by green connector,

    green connector green connector Aug 10, 2016 11:28 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    Aug 10, 2016 11:28 AM in response to K Shaffer

    I was able to fix the screen "dimming" problem. It was caused by the optical drive light being shattered. I didn't realize that the light was shattered and it seems to effect the sleeping functionality of the computer. I unplugged the light from the motherboard and restarted the computer -- no problems with the screen any more.

    Before I spend time and money looking for a 10.4.x installer, I'm going to try installing 10.5.x with my Mom's working installation disc. I think you are correct in that the 10.5.x installer doesn't have the drivers available but I'm going to give it a try anyway just to see if it works. I booted from the disc and it seems promising. I was prompted for an installer language, then the license agreement, then I was asked for an install location which brings us to the new problem. The installer doesn't seem to detect an internal hard drive. I pulled a hard drive from a (presumably -- the hard drive couldn't be tested because the computer had a bios password which can only be removed with a back door password) working windows xp machine. The hard drive fits inside the IDE hard drive slot in the computer but I don't have a caddy to hold the hard drive in place. I just crumpled a paper bag which I am using to hold the hard drive in place. The hard drive feels warm (indicating activity), but for whatever reason, the installer doesn't seem to detect it. Should I erase the hard drive before attempting to install? Is the hard drive even compatible (it's a WD 80GB '2.5 IDE hard drive)? What could be causing the installer to not recognize the hard drive? Thank you for your help .

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Aug 10, 2016 11:44 AM in response to green connector
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    Aug 10, 2016 11:44 AM in response to green connector

    Working good condition or quality replacement new ATA/IDE hard drives may be

    difficult to locate; since the 2005 vintage iBook G4 would be a late or last model

    the specification on that hard drive would be the ones to match.

     

    Parts examples, as follows:

     

    Unless you locate an SSD that could work in the ATA/IDE/PATA environment.

    https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ssd/owc/ibook-g4

     

    Replacement optical drive for iBookG4 (among other) can be found here:

    https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/superdrive/iBook_G4

     

    {An externally enclosed hard drive device with chipset Oxford-type or other

    suited to OS X booting system in FireWire enclosure, is recommended; an

    enclosure sporting FW400 and 7200-RPM HDD, with its own AC adapter...

    I have some these with partitions, these run full system OS X clones.}

     

    If the computer has or had a File Vault or encrypted partition, compressed

    files (system or user) performed at an Admin level, the regular means of

    re-setting the password would more difficult. If there was an equivalent of

    a Firmware Password, that would usually mean it was on the logic board.

    So swapping out hard drives would not effect a removal strategy.

     

    At this point in time, I have not researched the main issue you mention and

    have to go offline; still morning here and several real-world issues await me.

     

    Hopefully another helpful ASC user such as BDAqua or another who has

    and uses PowerPC Macs and pre OS X systems will see your post & reply.

     

    The ATA/IDE hard disk drive requires a reformat to HFS+ and an OS X suited

    to the hardware version your iBook G4 has. The MacBook system install is

    not intended nor will it be likely to function as such. About all that may work

    on the Intel-install DVD is disk utility, you could see if startup with C key held

    will boot from that inappropriate install disc, to run its Disk Utility from menu.

    There is a format for Intel-based Mac (GUID) do not use that. The PPC uses

    an Apple Format pre-dating what works in the Intel-based versions.

     

    Good luck!

  • by green connector,

    green connector green connector Aug 10, 2016 12:27 PM in response to green connector
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    Aug 10, 2016 12:27 PM in response to green connector

    I think the hard drive must be reformatted first. I don't think the installer will reformat it for you and since I don't have a method to reformat the hard drive, I will try installing OS X to a flash drive. Then I will boot from the flash drive and try looking in disk utility. If that still doesn't work, I'll try using a program called Derik's Boot and Nuke which will totally erase the hard drive.

    We'll see what happens

  • by green connector,

    green connector green connector Aug 10, 2016 12:28 PM in response to green connector
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    Aug 10, 2016 12:28 PM in response to green connector

    I just read your reply. I'll take a look at the installer's disk utility and make a post explaining the result... Thanks for the help and the suggestion .