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Q: why are icloud and itunes separated?

This is confusing to me and seems their products would be more user friendly if everything were in one place. Come on apple, this is 2016 after all...

Posted on Aug 13, 2016 8:52 AM

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Q: why are icloud and itunes separated?

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  • by Phil0124,

    Phil0124 Phil0124 Aug 13, 2016 8:54 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 8:54 AM in response to bennytmw

    Because they are different things meant for different purposes.

     

    Why exactly do you feel they should be together?  and in what way should the be together?

     

    Also, this is a user to user forum, Apple is not here.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 8:57 AM in response to Phil0124
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    Aug 13, 2016 8:57 AM in response to Phil0124

    When i plug in my phone to sync it, apple software should be all in one easy to manage place. Having two programs to manage data is redundant. Apple needs to fix this imo...just venting, i know i won't change anything, but I feel it needs to be addressed.

  • by Phil0124,

    Phil0124 Phil0124 Aug 13, 2016 9:02 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:02 AM in response to bennytmw

    I don't understand. When you plug your iPhone in to sync, iCloud has nothing to with it. It's all iTunes.  There's nothing you need to be doing in iCloud when your iPhone is plugged in.

     

    iCloud syncs over the internet automatically.

     

    In most cases you should not need to access the iCloud control Panel at all.  and you should only need to access the iCloud Drive folder in Windows explorer when you need to upload a file. This however would have nothing to do with iTunes.

     

    There's no reason for them to be together because they do not do anything together.  I would not want to have to open iTunes just to upload a file to iCloud Drive. When I can simply drag and drop it in Windows Explorer.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 9:08 AM in response to Phil0124
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:08 AM in response to Phil0124

    So having one program to manage the software on the phone and the music, which also manages backups, and another separate program to manage photos, calanders, email, etc is ok? And itunes and icloud crossover as well in some areas, as far as backups, if I'm not mistaken.

     

    I'm trying to get photos off my phones to put on a usb drive. Had to download icloud and set it up, thought I could do photos through itunes, but its all a big headache. Apple purposely makes it difficult to manage their devices on windows machines.

  • by Phil0124,

    Phil0124 Phil0124 Aug 13, 2016 9:20 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:20 AM in response to bennytmw

    You don't need iCloud, or iTunes to download photos from an iPhone on a Windows machine.

     

    The iPhone acts like a digital camera and appears in Windows Explorer as a removal device you can directly access so you can drag and drop files.

     

    Yes having two Applications is fine, because they work for entirely different purposes.  It works this exact way on a Mac too. This is not something exclusive to Windows.

     

    iTunes is a media manager and Store front. iCloud is the syncing mechanism over the internet.  They have nothing to do with each other.

     

    It's like expecting to buy clothes and electronics at a gas station while you pump gas. 

  • by ChrisJ4203,

    ChrisJ4203 ChrisJ4203 Aug 13, 2016 9:20 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:20 AM in response to bennytmw

    bennytmw wrote:

     

    I'm trying to get photos off my phones to put on a usb drive.

    Unless you were using iCloud for photos, that is where you had a problem. To import photos off the iPhone with Windows, one just connects the device to the computer and imports the photos using the import utility in Windows. It doesn't require iCloud. It only requires iTunes be installed to have the iPhone driver. iTunes doesn't have anything to do with importing photos either, just with syncing them back to the iPhone if desired. Photo imports are strictly handled with Windows.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 9:23 AM in response to ChrisJ4203
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:23 AM in response to ChrisJ4203

    yes, we have icloud for photo storage, and getting from there to my computer for the first time is a pain. Should I be able to just tell siri, "put my vacation photos on the usb drive." That would be awesome. But alas, we are not there yet. Maybe one day.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 13, 2016 9:30 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:30 AM in response to bennytmw

    Apple purposely makes it difficult to manage their devices on windows machines.

     

    A word of advice here... this type of statement will not sit well here. Such nonsense is inflammatory and against the terms of the community.

     

    If you look around, you will see many conversations about iTunes and how it does too many things already, and should be broken down in to smaller bits.

     

    On Windows... since Microsoft has both a competing OS and phone device, how would you suggest Apple provide a higher level of iPhone support within Windows?

     

    iTunes, the application and iCloud, the real time syncing service, are 2 different things and are IMO, best managed separately.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 9:49 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:49 AM in response to LACAllen

    So sharing my opinion is forbidden? Then how does apple improve their product? I don't get how its not OK to be critical of apple on here. I need information on why and how things work they way they do.

     

    On a related note, is there a way for sharing icloud storage for multiple apple ID's? I don't want to have to log in and out when I need to get photos from my wife's icloud and my icloud. i know we can drop photos into a shared folder on our phones, but that's a step I'd like to avoid, I want to access all her photos and her all of mine, for ease of access through the PC.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 9:45 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:45 AM in response to bennytmw

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    This is what I get now...how long will it take to prepare my library?

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 13, 2016 9:58 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:58 AM in response to bennytmw

    "I find managing my Apple devices in Windows difficult. I wish Apple would make it easier. I find this frustrating" is being critical of Apple.

     

    "Apple purposely makes it difficult to manage their devices on windows machines." is not.

     

     

     

    To remind you of the terms you agreed to when you joined....

     

    1. Be polite. Everyone should feel comfortable reading Submissions and participating in discussions. Apple will not tolerate flames or other inappropriate statements, material, or links. Most often, a "flame" is simply a statement that is taunting and thus arbitrarily inflammatory. However, this also includes those which are libelous, defamatory, indecent, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, abusive, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit, or offensive in a sexual, racial, cultural, or ethnic context.
    2. Post constructive comments and questions. Unless otherwise noted, your Submission should either be a technical support question or a technical support answer. Constructive feedback about product features is welcome as well. If your Submission contains the phrase "I'm sorry for the rant, but…" you are likely in violation of this policy.

     

     

    So, IMO, making such statements and then "on a related note" asking for help is counter-intuitive.

     

    You seem to not understand how iCloud works and find the concept of "log in and out when I need to get photos from my wife's icloud and my iCloud" too much for you.

     

    I'll suggest iCloud is not the service for you.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 10:06 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 13, 2016 10:06 AM in response to LACAllen

    oh, sorry i wasn't being PC enough, how's this.

     

    In my opinion, Apple is purposely making things diffucult for Windows users.

     

    Please stop quoting policy, i get enough of that at work.

     

    Can someone tell me how to link storage from two icloud accounts? can this be done?

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 13, 2016 10:11 AM in response to bennytmw
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    Aug 13, 2016 10:11 AM in response to bennytmw

    Can someone tell me how to link storage from two icloud accounts? can this be done?

    No. It cannot be done within iCloud.

     

     

    It's not about PC my friend, it's about following the rules and guidelines. And civility.

     

    This is not a place to rant and rave. There are many options for that online. This community is run by Apple users who want to provide support to other users.

     

    Please take your combative approach elsewhere.

  • by bennytmw,

    bennytmw bennytmw Aug 13, 2016 10:17 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 13, 2016 10:17 AM in response to LACAllen

    Well i guess you told me. Peace out. I will not post here forevermore!

     

    I bet you are a flaming Shillary supporter to boot. You can have your safe and PC forum. I'll just contact apple directly from now on.

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