Jobsie

Q: CPU overload issues

Hi there everyone,

My question is regarding Mainstage and what one should expect of it's capabilities.

I am running a 15 inch top of the line Mac book pro (2016)The plug ins I'm using are

--arturia pianoteq

--arturia Vox continental

--arturia SEM

--arturia Prophet 5

--omnisphere 2

--also a few built in Mainstage synths

 

using a few built in effects - tremolo & delay

 

For each of my 12 patches I never use more than 3 of the above plug ins, using just a couple of effects.

Im also using alias channel strips throughout also.

 

basically, my cpu is running hot and also Mainstage has crashed a few times whilst I've been building my patches. My levels are all sound - no maxing out there I believe.

 

My question is am I maxing out my computer, or is there something I'm missing regarding patch structure etc. I (maybe naively) assumed that mainstage should be capable of the above and much much more. I've been to the Genius Bar and they recommended that I ask you guys on here.

 

Also, is it better to use concert level instruments for each patch, or is it better to use aliases? There seems to be different opinions on this one.

 

just for reference, when my computer is laying dormant with just Mainstage open (no playing,no wifi, no other programs running) the activity monitor sits between 50 and 80 % of cpu usage. It's this fact the makes me think there's something going on.

 

Thanks so much for reading and hopefully this is enough information.

MainStage, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6)

Posted on Aug 15, 2016 8:46 PM

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  • by lifenoise,

    lifenoise lifenoise Aug 16, 2016 5:27 AM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 16, 2016 5:27 AM in response to Jobsie

    50 to 80% CPU usage at idle is way too high. Open preferences>audio. Is the sample rate set to 44.1? Open advanced settings. Adjust the settings for optimum CPU usage and latency. I would try to keep it at or below 30% idle and under 80% while playing a patch. One user suggested using on less core than the maximum in preferences( if it's using 8 cores reduce it to 7). I haven't tried this yet, but the idea is to leave one core for the OS.

     

    Screen Shot 2016-08-16 at 8.12.29 AM.png

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  • by Jobsie,

    Jobsie Jobsie Aug 16, 2016 4:20 PM in response to lifenoise
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    Aug 16, 2016 4:20 PM in response to lifenoise

    Screen Shot 2016-08-17 at 9.13.05 AM.png

    Hey there thanks for the response!

    Yeah we have the settings maxed out for safety - the buffer size is actually at 512..!

     

     

     

     

     

    i've just done some experimenting, and a completely empty concert still runs the CPU at around 40%. (refer to above photo - that's an empty MainStage running at 37.1%) When I revert back to the concert with the instruments and effects the idle operating usage goes up to around 47-50%. I think that increase makes sense. It's just that MainStage operates at that large percentage on its own?

     

    I tried using one less core, however that seemed to only increase CPU usage.

     

    Have you or anyone noted what the normal idle MainStage CPU usage should be?

  • by Jobsie,

    Jobsie Jobsie Aug 16, 2016 5:35 PM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 16, 2016 5:35 PM in response to Jobsie

    Here's a screen shot of when MainStage doesn't even have a concert open .. It's just simply an open application.

     

    Am I missing something here?

    Screen Shot 2016-08-17 at 10.33.35 AM.png

  • by Jobsie,

    Jobsie Jobsie Aug 16, 2016 5:48 PM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 16, 2016 5:48 PM in response to Jobsie

    Hey there, so a bit after I sent the previous post, my computer started getting really hot, I checked the activity monitor and MainStage was freaking!

    I have to reiterate that MainStage has NO CONCERT open, it's just sitting in the background.

     

    Also, have tried with friends computer with same computer and a similar problem is occurring. What's going on here?

    Screen Shot 2016-08-17 at 10.43.36 AM.png

  • by lifenoise,

    lifenoise lifenoise Aug 18, 2016 5:44 AM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 18, 2016 5:44 AM in response to Jobsie

    I don't know why your cpu is running at 525%. Just a shot in the dark, but a few things you might try: close all apps. Restart your Mac. Open Mainstage. When the concert loads, close it and open a new template(a simple one with just one keyboard). Save it as whatever name. Quit MainStage. Reopen it. Quit MS again and reopen again. Check the activity monitor.

     

    I've had a few isolated incidents where MS opened the latest saved concert on top of a previous concert. The above procedure should eliminate that possibility. This link may help optimize your Mac for live use. As for normal idle cpu usage, I don't know if there is a normal number, but under 30% idle and 80% max are what I shoot for.

     

    http://dj.rane.com/support/knowledge-base/how-to-optimizae-your-mac-for-live-per formance

  • by trinitycadet,

    trinitycadet trinitycadet Aug 23, 2016 7:24 AM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 23, 2016 7:24 AM in response to Jobsie

    I'm stunned by the difference in experience of fellow MainStage users! 

     

    I guess I've been lucky.  My computer running no applications show 99%+/- idle in Activity Monitor.  When I load MainStage with no concerts it goes to 97%+/-.  When I load a simple concert with one patch it goes to 92+/-%  When I load once of my performance concerts with 75 patches it goes to 85%+/-.  When I play live, the MBP runs for 4 or five hours with no decrease in performance.

     

    I'm running a mid 2014 MBP, 2.2GHz i7 with 16 GB ram, El Capitan 10.11.5 and MS3 3.2.4.  My audio interface is a Radial USBPRO.

  • by waltercruz,

    waltercruz waltercruz Aug 24, 2016 7:58 AM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 24, 2016 7:58 AM in response to Jobsie

    I've got a new macbook (new to me, but it's a early 2013) and I'm having some issues with mainstage.

     

    A test that I'm doing right now: graphics issues. My macbook computer has two GPUs, one that should be used when no hard graphics task are going on, and other for the hard work, and the system itself should pick the right one.

     

    Well, in my first tests, I found that always using the more powerful GPU helps the CPU use in mainstage.

    Screenshot 2016-08-24 10.39.25.png

    This is the default Alchemy concert. I'm using a external app to choose the right GPU (https://gfx.io/).

     

    You can see the moment when I change GPUs. Maybe it's worth the try if you have a macbook with dual GPUs

     

    (a long shot, cause your usage seems reasonable, you shouldn't have any problems with your current usage)

  • by waltercruz,

    waltercruz waltercruz Aug 24, 2016 8:03 AM in response to Jobsie
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    Aug 24, 2016 8:03 AM in response to Jobsie

    Screenshot 2016-08-24 12.01.19.png

    A quick test using Pianoteq here. First, fast GPU (Nvidia GeForce GT650M), after slow GPU (Intel HD Graphics 4000) and after, getting back to the faster GPU.